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Don’t need more categories, aren't the award ceremonies long enough? To shoot this once a year would be fun but to do this every match would be so boring. That’s one of the reason that I’ve put up my vaqueros and shoot a variety of SA- DA and self loaders at my progressive cas club. But my thoughts would be the extra revolvers should be staged as the long guns would be and carried around in your guncart not in holsters.  Extra rds [sg or rifle] would be loaded on the clock. Would it be a dedicated duelist category? Should be. But the big problem with JW is that it’s a lot harder to hit a rifle or sg target with a revolver than it is with a long gun. If it’s a dedicated JW match then the long gun targets would be closer but if its only a shooter category in a regular 4 gun cas/sass match with correctly placed and sized targets there will be a bunch of misses or slow times which is just the opposite of the current thinking in sass- close [read point blank] -big and it’s all about the speed. Seems to me that it should fall in the duelist category. We haven’t shot one in over a year I think.

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19 minutes ago, Baltimore Ed said:

Don’t need more categories, aren't the award ceremonies long enough? To shoot this once a year would be fun but to do this every match would be so boring. That’s one of the reason that I’ve put up my vaqueros and shoot a variety of SA- DA and self loaders at my progressive cas club. But my thoughts would be the extra revolvers should be staged as the long guns would be and carried around in your guncart not in holsters.  Extra rds [sg or rifle] would be loaded on the clock. Would it be a dedicated duelist category? Should be. But the big problem with JW is that it’s a lot harder to hit a rifle or sg target with a revolver than it is with a long gun. If it’s a dedicated JW match then the long gun targets would be closer but if its only a shooter category in a regular 4 gun cas/sass match with correctly placed and sized targets there will be a bunch of misses or slow times which is just the opposite of the current thinking in sass- close [read point blank] -big and it’s all about the speed. Seems to me that it should fall in the duelist category. We haven’t shot one in over a year I think.

Boy you really do dislike the current SASS...don't you.

 

Phantom

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3 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Boy you really do dislike the current SASS...don't you.

 

Phantom

 

He doesn’t have a concept of why we shoot JW either.  We don’t ask for the targets to be any different! If we choose to, we might shoot gunfighter too!!

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     Tell you what guys before the years out I’ll try the sass club in Rocky Mount out again. I’m working on a new persona and have a .45 schofield, a 1860 conversion and a 1876 centennial looking 1873 carbine that I want to try out. The Old Hickory Regulators are a big club, run multiple posses at their monthly and have a very nice range with neat permanent buildings. I’ve shot the NC state match with a lot of these fine folks. Though I’m sure there are a lot of new faces as it’s been years since I’ve been out there. The last 3 or 4 times that I shot at an actual sanctioned SASS club’s monthly was the Neuse River Regulators dedicated monthly WB match. Every time everything was so ridiculously close it was not much of a challenge to me. I came in second several times as a lowly duelist so I stopped going there.
     I don’t hate sass, I’ve been all over the country with my lovely, understanding wife shooting, 3xNE, 2xSE Regionals, multiple state matches in 4 different states and traveled to Cody, Tyler, Cleburne Tx and one EOT. I’ve paid my dues supporting cas and am still a sass member [#11754]. I just wish sass would broaden its palette. The Span Am War was in 1898, 1892 DA Colts were in existence then as were 1896 S&W Hand Ejectors. How many modern center fire Henry rifles that load like .22s were in existence then? Don’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. SASS is better than NCOWS just because we do have a broader palette, imo. The cas purist always has NCOWS, we are not purists so don’t pretend that we are. 

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44 minutes ago, Baltimore Ed said:

     Tell you what guys before the years out I’ll try the sass club in Rocky Mount out again. I’m working on a new persona and have a .45 schofield, a 1860 conversion and a 1876 centennial looking 1873 carbine that I want to try out. The Old Hickory Regulators are a big club, run multiple posses at their monthly and have a very nice range with neat permanent buildings. I’ve shot the NC state match with a lot of these fine folks. Though I’m sure there are a lot of new faces as it’s been years since I’ve been out there. The last 3 or 4 times that I shot at an actual sanctioned SASS club’s monthly was the Neuse River Regulators dedicated monthly WB match. Every time everything was so ridiculously close it was not much of a challenge to me. I came in second several times as a lowly duelist so I stopped going there.
     I don’t hate sass, I’ve been all over the country with my lovely, understanding wife shooting, 3xNE, 2xSE Regionals, multiple state matches in 4 different states and traveled to Cody, Tyler, Cleburne Tx and one EOT. I’ve paid my dues supporting cas and am still a sass member [#11754]. I just wish sass would broaden its palette. The Span Am War was in 1898, 1892 DA Colts were in existence then as were 1896 S&W Hand Ejectors. How many modern center fire Henry rifles that load like .22s were in existence then? Don’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. SASS is better than NCOWS just because we do have a broader palette, imo. The cas purist always has NCOWS, we are not purists so don’t pretend that we are. 

Talking outta one side of my mouth there...pard...

 

There were double actions going back to the Civil War time...so what. There is a reason why we shoot Single Action...please reference the name of the organization.  Don't like the distances??? Volunteer to write and set up stages...then when you have your little "Bullseye" match and see your club's revenues drop, perhaps you'll change your mind...or quit.

 

And don't think that just because YOU want something...and maybe a few others, that the ideas that you have would be successful. 

 

Phantom

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7 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

 

He doesn’t have a concept of why we shoot JW either.  We don’t ask for the targets to be any different! If we choose to, we might shoot gunfighter too!!

 ooooh, I'm shooting gunfighter, with full 50g cylinders, and PLENTY of smoke and BOOM.

I'll hit most of the targets, the ones I point at at least........."That's my word of Life".

Moving the targets, well those are my words of Death.

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Baltimore Ed:

Quit your whining.

If ya don't like it, fine, then don't shoot it.
But some of us enjoy shooting our revolvers at Rifle and shotgun targets, so leave it alone!
We didn't ask you to move rifle targets closer.

And, FWIW, JW shooters around here don't have a ton of misses.  And. if we do, what's it to you?

You pissed off cuz it might take us 20 seconds more to shoot a stage???

Too bad!

We don't ask for anything special, except a place to stage our rifle-pistols and shotgun-pistols.

And staging is a safety issue -- it's safer if they are staged.

And what do you care if we shoot it duelist, GF, or two-handed -- we're the ones shooting it, not you.
So, let us play the game the way we choose to play it -- We don't need you to decide what category we shoot.
--Dawg

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PLUS ONE too Phantom (All)

 

PLUS ONE too Prairie Dawg

 

It seems the recent trend is for malcontents to whine about categories, shooting styles, target placement, crap infinite.  What it boils down too, they "the whiners" what SASS suddenly changed to suit "them."  SASS has been what it is for several decades now.  It started as The SINGLE ACTION SHOOTING SOCIETY.  Note please, "SINGLE ACTION."  It's really quite simple.  If you don't like the game, don't play. Go do Steel Challenge with a DA revolver.  Go do IDPA.  If you're going to shoot CAS, quit belly aching and just enjoy the game.  If you're not having fun .... GO HOME

 

We don't need to change the game just to suit a few entirely too vocal malcontents.  GO HOME

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okay everyone....let's  take a breath.....

No need to shout down the opinion of others.......

No need to pick a fight or start name calling.......

to quote an infamous cowboy........let's all play the game the way we choose to play it  !

....and when  you find a club and people you like, hold on to them, enjoy them, shoot with them......before Anti fa stirs up more violence, and somebody has to die.

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1 hour ago, T-Square said:

No need to shout down the opinion of others.......

No need to pick a fight or start name calling.......

Misinformation left unchallenged becomes accepted as the truth.

 

And contrary to current snowflake philosophy - not everyone's opinion has the same value. 

 

My understanding of Josey Wales was that the "challenge" of engaging the rifle targets with an additional set of pistols was the attraction.

Seems to me, any shooter advocating to move them inward would be defeating the entire concept of the category.

 

Especially a shooter that follows that statement with the claim that Wild Bunch targets are so close that it is of no challenge.

 

Can't have it both ways - either close targets are too easy or distant targets are too hard.

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Well, I hope you have as much energy to resist, when they come to take your guns, or make you wear a mask, or turn off your public utilities when you don't comply with their demands.

because wasting your energy arguing on a fantasy sport or to shout down another opinion, just seems like a waste of energy, impolite, and not the cowboy way.

its the left wing who shouts down and demonizes the other point of view, not us.

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15 hours ago, Baltimore Ed said:

     Tell you what guys before the years out I’ll try the sass club in Rocky Mount out again. I’m working on a new persona and have a .45 schofield, a 1860 conversion and a 1876 centennial looking 1873 carbine that I want to try out. The Old Hickory Regulators are a big club, run multiple posses at their monthly and have a very nice range with neat permanent buildings. 

 

Baltimore Ed,

Have I shot with you before?  If I have, I apologize, 'cause my rememberer isn't what it once was...  Come on out to Rocky Mt. and hang out!

 

I've only shot modified "Josey Wales" for one match, when my rifle broke on the first stage and I didn't have a spare bolt.  (I do now.)  I talked to the MD and he allowed me to substitute in the two other revolvers I had with me.  Of course, I didn't have extra holsters, so I had to stage the extra revolvers at the rifle position.   It was a lot of fun!  Shooting the rifle targets with pistols was a bit of an extra challenge.  They even had a Texas Star Rifle Targets.  So, I shot the match slower than my norm, (which is slow anyway), with 3 misses for the 5 stages I shot that way.  It was a long time ago, fun, challenging, and I still remember it quite well... Which by definition makes it "memorable".

 

I like the idea that there was no leeway given.  No change in the match setup to lessen the difficulty to accommodate my impromptu shooting style.  Burt Blade has had to do it a number of times, shooting it Frontier Cartridge Gunfighter, while he's been having rifle problems.

 

It's a hoot, occasionally.  I don't know if I'd want to do it every match... but I'd sorta like to try it again! 

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McCandless, Yes we’ve shot together either there or at Swearing Creek probably both. After the weather breaks I’ll try to get out to RM. I want to shoot something different and use my new to me revolvers and 1873 centennial. But the 1876/1873 carbine build has hit a snag and is at the smiths. I hope it doesn’t have to be rebarreled. As I’ve said we’ve shot JW at ECSASS a few times over the years but since the covid shutdown we’ve only shot 2 matches. A cowboy match that I misunderstood and thought to be a WB so I shot it semi WB [loaded my sg on the clock] and our second shoot which was an actual WB and I surprised myself and was only one miss out of first. In a few weeks we will shoot a BAMM with double action revolvers [always shot along with the regular cowboy match for the cowboys who don’t shoot boltguns].  Should be fun, going to use a 1903 Springfield from 1919 that I remilitarized from a sporter and a pair of .45 Smiths. Here’s a pix. Looking forward to seeing you maybe next month.

And while I’m here, as usual I’ve stirred up the hornets nest I would like to apologize for doing so. There’s no need to get ugly. As was pointed out ‘if I don’t like shooting sass then don’t’ so I haven’t for a number of years even though I’ve continued to support the organization. I do however enjoy shooting cas, WB and BAMM with other cas shooters that are not so intolerant of non sass matches and firearms. See you on the range. 

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2 hours ago, T-Square said:

Well, I hope you have as much energy to resist, when they come to take your guns, or make you wear a mask, or turn off your public utilities when you don't comply with their demands.

because wasting your energy arguing on a fantasy sport or to shout down another opinion, just seems like a waste of energy, impolite, and not the cowboy way.

its the left wing who shouts down and demonizes the other point of view, not us.

Well this "game" is important to many of us... That said, what a crock!

 

To equate arguements with a "shout down" is childish. To think that we must simply accept everyone's opinion as being equal simply because another human being is spouting that opinion would render truth obsolete.

 

Phantom

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Me and a couple of pards did a challenge at a Nebraska Annual a few years ago...

 

The Ultimate Josey Wales...

 

CCFCJWGF  :lol:

 

Classic Cowboy Frontier Cartridge Josey Wales Gunfighter

 

Dang that was a hoot!  But can't convince them fellas to don it again.  :D

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I sorry.  Real sorry.  Anti Fa has NOTHING to do with it.  It isn't the left wing only whom shout down others.  You obviously haven't publicly questioned right wing rhetoric and been "dog piled" on.  Oh, and just exactly whom is this "US" of which you speak??  You got a really big mouse in yer pocket or something??  Somebody give you a striped shirt and a whistle??

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11 hours ago, Baltimore Ed said:

 I do however enjoy shooting cas, WB and BAMM with other cas shooters that are not so intolerant of non sass matches and firearms.

Would love to know how us here on the SASS Wire are intolerant. This is COWBOY ACTION SHOOTING...and you go and show a 1903 and a 1911?

 

What do you want from the SASS Forum???? For us to be tolerant of folks that wish to shoot guns that have NOTHING to do with our game??? 

 

Are we supposed to be so tolerant that we allow every little whim to be cowtowed too...and if not then we are somehow Non-Progressive and intolerant????

 

Good lord...put the shovel down...

 

Oy...

 

Phantom

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27 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

What do you want from the SASS Forum???? For us to be tolerant of folks that wish to shoot guns that have NOTHING to do with our game??? 

Of course.

Haven't you been paying attention?

The status quo is always wrong - current methodology is always in error and the fringe groups (no matter how out of touch) must always be acknowledged and accepted as full and equal partners.

To do anything otherwise makes you racist, bigoted, homophobic, intolerant and demeaning to other points of view.

Additionally disagreeing with the other side causes peanut allergies, acid reflux and lactose intolerance.

 

Phantom, you should know better.

Oy.

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, T-Square said:

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Very impressive retort.

 

I'm sure your mother would be proud...

 

15 hours ago, T-Square said:

"...just seems like a waste of energy, impolite, and not the cowboy way."

 

Cheers!

 

Phantom

 

 

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Come on guys.  We're all cowboys, all shooters, probably all strong 2nd amendment supporters.  Obviously we're not going to agree on everything, but how about we agree to disagree respectfully. 

 

Yeah, I'm may not be the best person to communicate that since it's a standard I don't always live up to myself, but like Jules Winfield, "I'm trying Ringo."

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