The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Finally got to look at the backup CZ Amarillo that let me down at Winter Range, I had cleaned it and put away until the Covids left. Firing pin appears to be broken. Never had a problem with my primary. Who is working on these now? The 1873 had an interesting malfunction last weekend starting with a BP round exploding out of the chamber during a bobbled levering. The case was wedged in the carrier when it detonated. Upon taking the gun down the firing pin was stuck out and would not retract initially and the extractor was broken. No injury other than to skivvies. Rifle was made in 1986 and the breech block does not look like the one in my newer 1866. The firing pin is now free but it does not fall out of the breech block. Can't get the firing pin out. Almost looks like the firing pin assembly was pressed into the breech. Also no retaining pin visible for the extractor. CP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 said: Finally got to look at the backup CZ Amarillo that let me down at Winter Range, I had cleaned it and put away until the Covids left. Firing pin appears to be broken. Never had a problem with my primary. Who is working on these now? I would contact CZ, I've heard that that they have pretty good customer service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chantry said: I would contact CZ, I've heard that that they have pretty good customer service Yeap, sent me free springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSnake Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Bring it down here. I have a BIG hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Howdy Kingsnake I got a big hammer too. Figure the opening action could stand to be loosened up too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Sounds like the 73 has bent it's firing pin. Blowing the extractor pin out is pretty rare. I'd check lever shape is still true, and carrier lifter arm, and even the carrier. Tapping a punch in through the firing pin hole (carefully) probably will dislodge the pin. Get on hand a new extractor, extractor pin (or soft wire), possibly the small pin at rear of bolt that pins the firing pin extension into back of bolt. Obviously a new firing pin and spring. Just a reminder to everyone - NEVER force a toggle action. If it's not closing with normal force, it rarely will close with even more force. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 GJ, I did as suggested and the firing pin came out. The rear of the firing pin had some burrs on it that possibly was causing the pin to stick. Front of firing pin was straight. I will inspect all the parts for any bends. I agree about forcing the lever not being good. I didn't force it, I bobbled the lever and I may have had the case extracting when I tried closing the lever. That trying to go fast does have a downside. Probably broke the extractor from fatigue, I put almost 9000 rounds through it. Who knows what the previous owners shot through it. The base of the blown case was intact. This breech block does not have an extractor pin. It looks like a press fit. I have an email to VTI to see if a new breech block assembly will fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken George* Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 17 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: extractor pin (or soft wire) GJ, Why soft wire rather than something harder? Had a Smith do that to 2 of mine and we wore through them in no time. I made some new ones with music wire and they've been fine since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 17 hours ago, The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 said: This breech block does not have an extractor pin. It looks like a press fit. That would be REALLY unusual, and something NOT shown on any Uberti exploded parts diagram. The bolts are polished and blued AFTER the factory installs the extractor and the pin. So, the pin sometimes is not easily found. I'll bet when you pull the extractor you find the pin was there, just polished into the surface of the bolt. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve mile REB Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Piano wire works very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 In my experience, rebar tie wire works very well, too. It's in all 5 of my 73s right now. Has never failed, and some have 8 years of hard SASS and WB use. An extractor in the 73 HAS to be fit so that the tail provides the right amount of tension. Failure to fit the extractor makes for high tension and a hard to install pin. It's not always the strength/weakness of the pin. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 After looking at the breech block with a magnifier I finally saw the pin. It was blended into the block very well. Learned something new. It was bigger than I thought. Will try to get it loose tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 7 hours ago, The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 said: After looking at the breech block with a magnifier I finally saw the pin. It was blended into the block very well. Learned something new. It was bigger than I thought. Will try to get it loose tomorrow. Heat and a punch should remove it, then replace with piano wire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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