Henry T Harrison Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: They can't make me anyhow. They can’t make you wear a mask but they can keep you out of their stores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence Cutter Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Black Hills Barb said: I was at WalMart this morning. While wearing a mask is now mandatory, wearing it correctly obviously is not. Employees and shoppers alike wore masks both under the nose and on the chin........ I have seen a few dumb a$$es here and there walking around with the mask hanging off of one ear. Cool fashion statement I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said: With gas prices on the rise, I'll probably do more shopping online. It’s a rare day we don’t get packages from UPS, FedEx, or USPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Henry T Harrison said: They can’t make you wear a mask but they can keep you out of their stores If they try to stop me because I'm not wearing a mask AFTER I claim "Medical Exemption", I'll call them out for violation of the Americans with Disability Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I simply do not care enough to even raise an eyebrow. I look at masks the same as giving your social security number at military gates: entirely voluntary. If you choose not to volunteer your SS number, you are denied entry. I understand the outrage at gov't intervention, etc, but masking up is a red herring. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the Marxist game plan going down right under our noses. • Demoralize • Destabilize • Crisis • Normalization The first step in the Marxist playbook makes you believe your civilization is lost. An example of this is current white people apologizing for the actions of their ancestors. The second step is a rapid decline on the societal structure. Destroy the economy, disband the police, the military, and abandon control of our borders. COVID19 is the perfect method to destabilize the order of America. The third stage is Crisis, which is the George Floyd and other racial upheavals intended to bring about cultural collapse. The last stage is Normalization, where the cultural revolution is now in place. Patriotism, American history in old statues, monuments and names are gone, replaced by the Cancel Culture and Marxism. This game plan has gone down all around the world. It is going down now in America, while folks complain about wearing a mask which diverts their attention away from the larger issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Henry T Harrison said: They can’t make you wear a mask but they can keep you out of their stores They haven't even tried at most stores. There is no way they can enforce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 25 minutes ago, bgavin said: I simply do not care enough to even raise an eyebrow. I look at masks the same as giving your social security number at military gates: entirely voluntary. If you choose not to volunteer your SS number, you are denied entry. I understand the outrage at gov't intervention, etc, but masking up is a red herring. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the Marxist game plan going down right under our noses. • Demoralize • Destabilize • Crisis • Normalization The first step in the Marxist playbook makes you believe your civilization is lost. An example of this is current white people apologizing for the actions of their ancestors. The second step is a rapid decline on the societal structure. Destroy the economy, disband the police, the military, and abandon control of our borders. COVID19 is the perfect method to destabilize the order of America. The third stage is Crisis, which is the George Floyd and other racial upheavals intended to bring about cultural collapse. The last stage is Normalization, where the cultural revolution is now in place. Patriotism, American history in old statues, monuments and names are gone, replaced by the Cancel Culture and Marxism. This game plan has gone down all around the world. It is going down now in America, while folks complain about wearing a mask which diverts their attention away from the larger issue. NOW do you believe in a conspiracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: If they try to stop me because I'm not wearing a mask AFTER I claim "Medical Exemption", I'll call them out for violation of the Americans with Disability Act. If you check the ADA you will find that there are exceptions to the act which allow them to require you to wear the mask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Henry T Harrison said: If you check the ADA you will find that there are exceptions to the act which allow them to require you to wear the mask I doubt if they know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Henry T Harrison said: If you check the ADA you will find that there are exceptions to the act which allow them to require you to wear the mask Not arguing the point, but would like to know more. Could you site that for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Ya know guys.......I just can't see the big deal about wearing a mask for 20 minutes while inside a business. It's kind of like wearing a seat belt while driving. I don't like it, I don't like it but it may save my life in the event of a crash. I don't like wearing a mask but my respiratory issues require that I do. I sincerely believe that if everyone had been wearing masks from the beginning of this crap, it would have been minimized to a non factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Not arguing the point, but would like to know more. Could you site that for me? With out wading through the whole act this is what I found asized. Coronavirus and 'direct threat' Even if a person could identify their disability and prove that not wearing a mask without any other precaution was a reasonable request, “the business could still turn that person away based on the direct threat” that they posed to others, according to Roberts. A “direct threat” under the ADA is any substantial risk to the health and safety a disabled person poses to others, which cannot be countered with reasonable accommodations. The standard is normally cited in employer-employee relationships, but experts and regulators agree that COVID-19 poses a threat to businesses when interacting with customers. Businesses also have plenty of legal precedent for protecting themselves in the name of public health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: They haven't even tried at most stores. There is no way they can enforce it. Sure they can if the store orders you to leave and you refuse you can be arrested for defiant trespass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Henry T Harrison said: Sure they can if the store orders you to leave and you refuse you can be arrested for defiant trespass Yeah, that's a $50.00 fine plus about another $50.00 in court costs. IF I don't leave the store, but I can stay on the premises outside about a 20 foot distance from any entrance. I can't accost anyone in the parking lot, either, but I can wait until I'm ready to leave. They can do a citizen's arrest but cannot detain me. When an officer arrives the store officials can do a citizen's arrest and the officer can take me into custody, but the citizen who makes the arrest must accompany me to the station at that time to file a formal charge. If I don't challenge it I'll pay a fine and it doesn't even go on my record. I'm not overly concerned and if it does happen I'll go online, to newspapers and other electronic media and raise hell. Right, wrong, or indifferent they will suffer the publicity far more than I will. Remember, this is Arizona, and outside of the Phoenix mega-hive complex we have more freedom than most places and you couldn't drag me to Phoenix withou tone hell of a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Yeah, that's a $50.00 fine plus about another $50.00 in court costs. IF I don't leave the store, but I can stay on the premises outside about a 20 foot distance from any entrance. I can't accost anyone in the parking lot, either, but I can wait until I'm ready to leave. They can do a citizen's arrest but cannot detain me. When an officer arrives the store officials can do a citizen's arrest and the officer can take me into custody, but the citizen who makes the arrest must accompany me to the station at that time to file a formal charge. If I don't challenge it I'll pay a fine and it doesn't even go on my record. I'm not overly concerned and if it does happen I'll go online, to newspapers and other electronic media and raise hell. Right, wrong, or indifferent they will suffer the publicity far more than I will. Remember, this is Arizona, and outside of the Phoenix mega-hive complex we have more freedom than most places and you couldn't drag me to Phoenix withou tone hell of a fight. In Pennsylvania the fine with costs is a shade less than $400. In order to file a private complaint you must first have the District Attorney sign off on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Officially July 20, but I would not be surprised if they did not all get the word. Does not include pickup and delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Yeah, that's a $50.00 fine plus about another $50.00 in court costs. IF I don't leave the store, but I can stay on the premises outside about a 20 foot distance from any entrance. I can't accost anyone in the parking lot, either, but I can wait until I'm ready to leave. They can do a citizen's arrest but cannot detain me. When an officer arrives the store officials can do a citizen's arrest and the officer can take me into custody, but the citizen who makes the arrest must accompany me to the station at that time to file a formal charge. If I don't challenge it I'll pay a fine and it doesn't even go on my record. In TN you wouldn't be allowed to stay on the premises. Anywhere on their property you would not be allowed to stay. Even the back of the parking lot. Its not public parking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said: In TN you wouldn't be allowed to stay on the premises. Anywhere on their property you would not be allowed to stay. Even the back of the parking lot. Its not public parking. Actually this is up to the township, city or county. Gotta be a little careful because the laws change from place to place. It's confusing and not worth the satisfaction. In some cases the line is at the edge of the parking lot, other it's public sidewalks bordering the lot. Like I said, it's not worth the satisfaction and I don't have the money to challenge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dog Doug Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 how I get in to walmart get my stuff and get out does this look photo shoped or just another way we made to kill our selfs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: In TN you wouldn't be allowed to stay on the premises. Anywhere on their property you would not be allowed to stay. Even the back of the parking lot. Its not public parking. It's the same in Florida + if they tell you to leave, you don't and happen to be carrying a concealed weapon.....it's armed trespass. Not a good situation you want to find yourself in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 8:40 PM, bgavin said: I simply do not care enough to even raise an eyebrow. I look at masks the same as giving your social security number at military gates: entirely voluntary. If you choose not to volunteer your SS number, you are denied entry. I understand the outrage at gov't intervention, etc, but masking up is a red herring. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the Marxist game plan going down right under our noses. • Demoralize • Destabilize • Crisis • Normalization The first step in the Marxist playbook makes you believe your civilization is lost. An example of this is current white people apologizing for the actions of their ancestors. The second step is a rapid decline on the societal structure. Destroy the economy, disband the police, the military, and abandon control of our borders. COVID19 is the perfect method to destabilize the order of America. The third stage is Crisis, which is the George Floyd and other racial upheavals intended to bring about cultural collapse. The last stage is Normalization, where the cultural revolution is now in place. Patriotism, American history in old statues, monuments and names are gone, replaced by the Cancel Culture and Marxism. This game plan has gone down all around the world. It is going down now in America, while folks complain about wearing a mask which diverts their attention away from the larger issue. The tin foil is in aisle 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 If the government ordering people to wear masks was about safety, they would have put a stop to all protests/riots, not just conservatives having a freedom rally. They have hotlines to report on your neighbors, but not to report rioters and looters. They said it wasn't safe to go to the dentist, abortion clinics are good to go. They let convicted criminals out of jail and threaten us with jail time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 8:45 PM, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Actually this is up to the township, city or county. Gotta be a little careful because the laws change from place to place. It's confusing and not worth the satisfaction. In some cases the line is at the edge of the parking lot, other it's public sidewalks bordering the lot. Like I said, it's not worth the satisfaction and I don't have the money to challenge them. No, I am referring to Tennessee code 39-14-405 criminal trespass defined as when an individual enters or remains on any portion of the property without the owners consent. I have had to have several charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 18 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: It's the same in Florida + if they tell you to leave, you don't and happen to be carrying a concealed weapon.....it's armed trespass. Not a good situation you want to find yourself in. In Arizona it's a misdemeanor.....the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 You better hope clothing is mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Go West said: You better hope clothing is mandatory. That's what happens when women don't wear bras at WalMart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dog Doug Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 20 hours ago, Go West said: You better hope clothing is mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Local news. There is a list of 18 national chain stores that are requiring mask. I just past 70 and in all my born days I've not seen anything like this stupid panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 I've noticed employees outside Safeway and Walmart asking people to wear masks. So, I do. They are probably making minimum wage and, therefore, don't get paid enough to take any crap. Nor, do they have either the skills or personal situation to walk away from a job. The governor, Nuisance (sp.), has decreed it be so. I'm hoping he will alienate his voter base in, at least, California. If you have a problem with wearing a mask, just shop somewhere that doesn't require them. I am not yet convinced that I am being controlled sufficiently to make a stink when asked to wear a mask. Now if a SJW makes a stink when I'm not wearing one where it is allowed to not wear one, I will tell them either/or/both "they are not the boss of me" and/or "call the Sheriff." I have said to "busy bodies," "I suggest you mind your own business" and walked away. I have called the Sheriff when my rights were infringed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 7/20/2020 at 11:06 AM, Dirty Dog Doug said: Take some and pass it down. Pass it down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 7:45 PM, Fence Cutter said: I have seen a few dumb a$$es here and there walking around with the mask hanging off of one ear. Evander Holyfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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