sassnetguy50 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 How light can a 45-70 load safely be? Looking for a powderpuff training comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Half a case of real BP. Then top off with fine walnut mediaLevel with the top of the case. Cap with a .458 round ball seated just past the mid point of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 I load a home cast Lee RNFP over 12.5 grains of Trailboss. No recoil in my Sharps. Clangs a target at 300 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 i'm not at home, so i dont have it at hand. But i was thinking that there were some low loads in Wolf's book about loading for the trapdoor rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 There are mild loads using Unique. Before I relegated my IAB to wall hanger duty (when I read a standard load blew the bottom out of a man's chamber I considered this one's several sins and hung it up forever) -- I loaded Unique for it -- stuffed in toilet paper to hold that little bitty charge of powder on the primer. Three shots and it looked like I was launching chickens out the bore. I didn't shoot any more toilet paper loads, cleanup is too tedious! (*edit to clarify*) -- That's clean up shredded toilet paper from the grass, not clean the bore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence Cutter Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Would you have any access to the Summer 1996 issue of Blackpowder Hunting which has a detailed article by Mike Fargas called " Trapdoors and Bushy Tails" in which he gives details of working up a .45-70 load light enough for squirrels. Maybe you could dig around online and find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 I should have offered more background. Most of my 45-70 experience is with modern lever actions in 20 or 24” barrels. Shooting factory hunting loads or buffalo bore loads. The opportunity presented itself to trade for a 7” handgun. Hoping to come up with a light load that will not scare her off. This rules out BP as she will not tolerate the aroma. It sounds like we can load it light enough to work. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 You won't get any lighter than the load I listed. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said: There are mild loads using Unique. Before I relegated my IAB to wall hanger duty (when I read a standard load blew the bottom out of a man's chamber I considered this one's several sins and hung it up forever) -- I loaded Unique for it -- stuffed in toilet paper to hold that little bitty charge of powder on the primer. Three shots and it looked like I was launching chickens out the bore. I didn't shoot any more toilet paper loads, cleanup is too tedious! (*edit to clarify*) -- That's clean up shredded toilet paper from the grass, not clean the bore! Clean or used TP???? Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Michigan Slim--- What is the weight of the bullet in your load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Michigan Slim said: You won't get any lighter than the load I listed. IMO You didnt say how heavy your Proj is? 405 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 12.0 grain 971 fps 24500 cup 485 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 8.0 grain 699 fps 17100 cup 385 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.505" Starting 14.0 grain 1075 fps 19400 cup 300 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.465" Starting 14.0 grain 1199 fps 19400 cup These are from the ADI load manual but are for a longer barrel (24") so the velocities will be lower, its TB so fast burning but I dont know if the 7" barrel will burn it all, you would need to check as you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Major Crimes said: You didnt say how heavy your Proj is? 405 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 12.0 grain 971 fps 24500 cup 485 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 8.0 grain 699 fps 17100 cup 385 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.505" Starting 14.0 grain 1075 fps 19400 cup 300 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.465" Starting 14.0 grain 1199 fps 19400 cup These are from the ADI load manual but are for a longer barrel (24") so the velocities will be lower, its TB so fast burning but I dont know if the 7" barrel will burn it all, you would need to check as you go. 7 hours ago, Major Crimes said: You didnt say how heavy your Proj is? 405 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 12.0 grain 971 fps 24500 cup 485 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 8.0 grain 699 fps 17100 cup 385 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.505" Starting 14.0 grain 1075 fps 19400 cup 300 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.465" Starting 14.0 grain 1199 fps 19400 cup These are from the ADI load manual but are for a longer barrel (24") so the velocities will be lower, its TB so fast burning but I dont know if the 7" barrel will burn it all, you would need to check as you go. Dang it man. 340 grains. Has been a great bullet for hunting and playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 17 hours ago, Michigan Slim said: I load a home cast Lee RNFP over 12.5 grains of Trailboss. No recoil in my Sharps. Clangs a target at 300 yards. Given your explanation this ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Major Crimes said: You didnt say how heavy your Proj is? 405 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 12.0 grain 971 fps 24500 cup 485 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.540" Starting 8.0 grain 699 fps 17100 cup 385 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.505" Starting 14.0 grain 1075 fps 19400 cup 300 GR. CAST LFPLead Flat Point Trail Boss .458" 2.465" Starting 14.0 grain 1199 fps 19400 cup These are from the ADI load manual but are for a longer barrel (24") so the velocities will be lower, its TB so fast burning but I dont know if the 7" barrel will burn it all, you would need to check as you go. Also excellent loads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Never used Trail Boss. Sedalia's recipe sounds like a good one. The only times I used a filler was in mouse loads for my derringer with BP. I used cornmeal, but lots of stuff will work. That's one of the beauties of the REAL BP is you almost have to try to have a major f.........foul up. JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said: Never used Trail Boss. Sedalia's recipe sounds like a good one. The only times I used a filler was in mouse loads for my derringer with BP. I used cornmeal, but lots of stuff will work. That's one of the beauties of the REAL BP is you almost have to try to have a major f.........foul up. JHC For certain. The ONLY mistake is an air pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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