Gone with the Wind

[Raylan]

Gone with the Wind pulled from streaming due to racism, may return later with context explaining it's racism. Yosemite Sam will join Elmer Fudd in being gunless, and TV series Cops dropped by network and then cancelled by production company as it often has negative portrayals of blacks.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/hbo-max-pulls-gone-with-the-wind-from-library-amid-racial-tensions

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

Glad I got the DVD before it was pulled from the shelves.  Mebbe they'll recall it!  

 

Might want to get your copies of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn purty quick, too.  

[Cat Brules]

I have two DVD copies of “Gone With The Wind”.
 

It is one of my favorite movies.

 

Cat Brules

[Warden Callaway]

I'm sure the vast majority of people today watch Gone With the Wind and judge the owner/slave relationships as totally contrived. It couldn't have happened.   But in our neighborhood we have a history of a family that dates back to the 1820s when Missouri was first being populated up until about 1970.  They were among the few slave holders in the county.  The slaves had the same family last name of the owners.  Well before the war, the patriarch of the family died leaving his estate to his widow.  But children from a previous marriage contested the inheritance.   The court ordered the estate be sold at auction on the court house steps.  The property included the slaves.  A description of each by was recorded with relationship between them.  The people at the auction bought the slaves and returned them all to the widow so the families could remain together.  

 

On emancipation,   the head of the family deeded 120 acres to each head of household.  As each child matured and married,  he deeded them 120 acres. I think in total some 1400 acres were transferred to the former slaves and children. They had their own school and church. But all were buried in the same family plot.  They continued to farm in common for many years.  The head of the family took care of their property taxes and medical needs, etc.  Then in the Depression and FDR's New Deal, the relationship began to dissolve.  Each new generation left the farm for opportunities in the cities.   I remember one becoming a school teacher in Chicago.  Then as years went by, as the owners of the small acreage past away their descendants sold the properties.  By about 1950 the farms had all reverted to new owners.  

 

I remember in the 1960, maybe as late as 1970,  one old black man lived a hermit lifestyle far back in the wood where the former slaves once lived.  The head of the clan still took care of his needs.  I heard contemporary stories of the black folk coming back to visit and attend to graves, etc. 

 

The once large landholding kept getting devided among the heirs and then eventually sold to others.  The family name is still around but the rest is history. 

 

I can't find my copy of the book that documented this family history.  I must have loaned it to someone.  In any case,  it showed a family relationship that endured well past emancipation.  

[Rye Miles #13621]

Sad that they pulled GWTW for racial reasons. I've seen the movie twice and to me it's long and very boring! I won't miss it at all but I don't like WHY they pulled it.

[Warden Callaway]

8 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Sad that they pulled GWTW for racial reasons. I've seen the movie twice and to me it's long and very boring! I won't miss it at all but I don't like WHY they pulled it.

 

Funny,  strange funny.   We raised our two granddaughters.  We couldn't watch The Little Mermaid all of the time so we mixed in classic movies.   The eldest, at about age 12, really loved Gone With the Wind.   So much she checked out the book from the library and read it!  As I remember,  the book is a couple of inches thick.   The movie only covered about half.  She would expound on the movie differs from the book.  Another classic they both came to love was To Kill a Mockingbird.  The first time or two, they got into the adventures of the kids.  Later,  they better understood the drama of defense of a falsely accused man by a lying woman.  They were livid! "You can see she's lying!".

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

5 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Sad that they pulled GWTW for racial reasons. I've seen the movie twice and to me it's long and very boring! I won't miss it at all but I don't like WHY they pulled it.

100% on every word.  Thanks.

[Trigger Mike]

my wife heard sales of the DVD jumped upon the news it would not be aired 

[Church Key, SASS # 33713]

"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

It’s just HBO Max that’s discontinued it, you can still buy it in dvd. It’s out of stock At Walmart but It’s available on eBay And some Best Buy stores. You have to search but the price has gone way up!

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

They better take down Roots and that Harriet Tubman movie while they’re at it. It depicts racism and scenes that some viewers might find disturbing. How about Hidalgo? They show a slave market in one scene? It made me feel uncomfortable.

 

What about Ben Hur, Glory, Amistad, even Planet of the Apes?

 

All worthwhile movies to view in their own right.....

 

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Aunt Jamima? Some other stereotypes?

 

i suppose Glory passes muster.

[Warden Callaway]

1939 was a year of some of the greatest movies of all time. 

 

Gone With the Wind

The Wizard of OZ (also under fire for having bigotry and political messages) 

Stagecoach 

Mr Smith goes to Washington 

Hunchback of Notre Dame. 

The Littlest Princess 

Of Mice and Men

Ganga Din

Jesse James 

[Raylan]

Here's a list from IMDB of 1939 movies in no particular order that I can discern - but there are a lot of famous ones, many that I forgot or forgot were from that year.

 

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000017686/

 

And here's one with even more listed.

 

http://www.films101.com/y1939r.htm

[Charlie Harley, #14153]

22 hours ago, Warden Callaway said:

 

Funny,  strange funny.   We raised our two granddaughters.  We couldn't watch The Little Mermaid all of the time so we mixed in classic movies.   The eldest, at about age 12, really loved Gone With the Wind.   So much she checked out the book from the library and read it!  As I remember,  the book is a couple of inches thick.   The movie only covered about half.  She would expound on the movie differs from the book.  Another classic they both came to love was To Kill a Mockingbird.  The first time or two, they got into the adventures of the kids.  Later,  they better understood the drama of defense of a falsely accused man by a lying woman.  They were livid! "You can see she's lying!".

Those are some smart girls you’re raising. Critical thinking at its finest. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

7 hours ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

Aunt Jamima? Some other stereotypes?

 

i suppose Glory passes muster.

Uncle Ben's rice!!

[Smoken D]

Been going on for years. Anyone recall when, "Song of the South" was banned in the U.S.?

[Yellowhouse Sam # 25171]

The way things are going just about every movie or tv show made before 1975 could get the racially insensitive, non-inclusive label and be banned by the nuts that abound.  If you can get rid of Huckleberry Finn anything and  everything else is game.

[Waxahachie Kid #17017 L]

Seems like someone(s) out there want to ignore history.  Right, wrong, or sideways, all that happened.  There are those that want to remove it all from public view, and hide it "under the bed".  I presume they think if we ignore it, and remove all outward signs of it, such as movies, books, statues, that we can all move forward.  It seems censorship is alive and well.  Is public book burning, and movie burning, next?

But, aren't we missing a very vital teaching tool, to our children, and grandchildren?  When we take them to see an monument of someone, or watch a movie about an event in our history, we can teach them who they were, and what they stood for, and if it was wrong, we can point that out. 

But no...seems like many think if we remove all outward signs of it, stick our collective heads in the sand, and don't discuss it, then it will go away, and be as if it never happened.  That way, potentially, no one's feelings will be hurt.

Isn't hiding it, ignoring it, not acknowledging it, a slap in the face of Dr. King, who suffered, and ultimately died, because of his stance on it, and his non-violent methods of dealing with it?

Isn't it better to know the truth, regardless if it hurts feelings or not?  Isn't sweeping all this under the rug, in the name of being politically correct, another form of lying?    

What was that old saying??? Something about if we don't study history, we are bound to repeat it?

 

W.K.  

 

 

[Cypress Sun]

14 minutes ago, Yellowhouse Sam # 25171 said:

The way things are going just about every movie or tv show made before 1975 could get the racially insensitive, non-inclusive label and be banned by the nuts that abound.  If you can get rid of Huckleberry Finn anything and  everything else is game.

 

Don't forget about any children's books/tales, other book's, records/recordings, art work, pictures or anything else that some may find offensive. It may take them many years but sooner or later they'll have everything they deem unacceptable banned and history rewritten.

 

I guess that they didn't bother to look a few years before 1939 to learn about another book, movie and music burner......his name was Adolph Hitler. They may have forgot about Lenin or Stalin also. Maybe they aren't old enough to remember another Socialist named Jim Jones although he is "small time" when compared to the other three. 

 

 

[Chuck Steak]

Its nice to see that TV and Movie producers are being good stewards of socially conscious mental health.  

 

The average American is not smart enough to understand thematic programing.  Most people think the Coyote really does suspend the effects of gravity when he runs off a cliff.   Most Americans really do think that a hunter has verbally intense discussions with ducks and rabbits before shooting at them.  People just cant be trusted to make their own choices based on their own thinking.

 

We, the unwashed and uneducated masses, need a responsible person to look out for our well being - we all have parents but they aren't enough - what we need is someone that doesn't let parental bias impact the way that they treat us.  A better choice would be someone we can relate to like an older sibling - like a big sister or a big brother...

...we all need Big Brother to make out choices and to tell us how to think.