Patagonia Pete Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Well ... I have to say ... I have never received an alert like this before. Just got a voicemail message (cause I didn't pick it up)/phone call alert from ATF warning of civil unrest in my area including looting of businesses etc ... and to protect my records and firearms!! (cool!!) ... Then immediately afterwards I noticed an email saying the same thing ... wow ... guess I will strap on the 1911 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I've never heard of such a thing from ATF. Did they call your cell or home phone? Received plenty of calls about tornadoes, missing kids, etc but never one from ATF or about rioting/looting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Interesting. Read about this same thing on another forum. An FFL holder there received a similar call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I think a Snopes check is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I think that's a valuable alert and I applaud the ATF for finally doing something to help me protect my guns. However, I don't think I'll be signing up for the ATF alert system anytime soon because I don't have any guns. Terrible boating accident, ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: I've never heard of such a thing from ATF. Did they call your cell or home phone? Received plenty of calls about tornadoes, missing kids, etc but never one from ATF or about rioting/looting. Well ... the phone call came in on my voip home line (the number associated w/ my FFL) ... and the email came in on the right email (not my regular email address). Here is the text of the email .. (marked from doj.gov for Maricopa county) .. start > This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Possible civil unrest in our area may result in looting of businesses. The ATF reminds you to remain vigilant and to take appropriate steps to secure both your firearms inventory and your required records. Please report all suspicious persons or activity to your local police department. Additionally, notify ATF at if you find any of your firearms missing, lost or stolen or if you are a victim of an attempted burglary of your business. < end cool ... I have been alerted .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It sounds like a good thing. I signed up for emergency notifications from the local sheriff. IIRC, we've only had one for a missing girl, Hubby saw her, Hubby called with where he saw her, they called back when she was found. Yours sounds like a valuable thing for FFL holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, Patagonia Pete said: Well ... the phone call came in on my voip home line (the number associated w/ my FFL) ... and the email came in on the right email (not my regular email address). Here is the text of the email .. (marked from doj.gov for Maricopa county) .. start > This is an important message from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Possible civil unrest in our area may result in looting of businesses. The ATF reminds you to remain vigilant and to take appropriate steps to secure both your firearms inventory and your required records. Please report all suspicious persons or activity to your local police department. Additionally, notify ATF at if you find any of your firearms missing, lost or stolen or if you are a victim of an attempted burglary of your business. < end cool ... I have been alerted .. "GOSH!! ATF agent Smith!! They broke in and burned up all my records, but I ran 'em off before they got to the guns!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Does this now mean that the ATF is in favor of the use of deadly force to prevent firearms from falling into the wrong hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: Does this now mean that the ATF is in favor of the use of deadly force to prevent firearms from falling into the wrong hands. Yeah ... I was just thinking ... when the TV reporter asks me why I shot "that" guy ... I can say I received an email from the government telling me to. (it said - "take appropriate steps") ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I saw a post about this yesterday. Actually thought it was here in the Saloon (ACS), but maybe not. The guy posting about it has a cruffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Why do I get the feeling the SWAT trucks are fueled up and ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: Why do I get the feeling the SWAT trucks are fueled up and ready? SWAT isn’t much good in a riot. NG is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 SWAT truck so they can say they were there when the budget comes up for renewal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Getting close to time for pike and shot on the one hand and pitchforks, tar & feathers on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Just what did Target have to do with the death of George Floyd?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 So is this a service for FFL holders only...? 2 hours ago, Alpo said: I saw a post about this yesterday. Actually thought it was here in the Saloon (ACS), but maybe not. The guy posting about it has a cruffle. What's a "cruffle?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portugeejn Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: So is this a service for FFL holders only...? What's a "cruffle?" C&R FFL? Curio and Relic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Yeah, C&R FFL. Cruffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Alpo said: I saw a post about this yesterday. Actually thought it was here in the Saloon (ACS), but maybe not. The guy posting about it has a cruffle. I got no warning. But they don’t know I’m in this zip code. I doubt if any warnings went out for Cahone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, portugeejn said: C&R FFL? Curio and Relic 22 minutes ago, Alpo said: Yeah, C&R FFL. Cruffle. Well, I'll be darned. All these years and I've never heard that reference. Shux... I was thinkin' it was something to bind up a ponytail or some sort of pastry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portugeejn Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Not to be confused with a kerfuffle! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Well, I'll be darned. All these years and I've never heard that reference. Shux... I was thinkin' it was something to bind up a ponytail or some sort of pastry! http://www.cruffler.com/whatis.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Call me suspicious, but this just stinks of a scam. Proceed with great caution. I see you live in Arizona: carry what you want and remain alert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It's likely this alert is ONLY going out to people and business with a FFL, even just the Curio & Relic license. I do not expect the alert to be going out every gun owner in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Just what did Target have to do with the death of George Floyd?? TVs, toilet paper, beer, laundry detergent, diapers, new sheets for the bed, whatever. As to FFLs protecting paperwork... It is not just because the Fed might someday want to track down a law-abiding gun owner... Anyone who wants guns can get a list from the files of a local FFL. Name, address, gun manufacturer and model, and serial number... This is not the information a gun owner wants to have fall into the wrong hands. There are enough issues with it being in the right hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 30 minutes ago, Chantry said: It's likely this alert is ONLY going out to people and business with a FFL, even just the Curio & Relic license. I do not expect the alert to be going out every gun owner in the country. But now I know, and so do members of this forum. Spread the word. Yes, the thought might get to those who should not have the thought, but it needs to get to those who should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 If those files were destroyed, they wouldn’t get into ANYONE’S hands!! 5 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: This is not the information a gun owner wants to have fall into the wrong hands. There are enough issues with it being in the right hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence Cutter Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Just what did Target have to do with the death of George Floyd?? It's kind of funny because I have always seen Target stores as the place where the liberal pukes go to shop. Maybe Dick's Sporting Goods will be next on their hit list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 35 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said: If those files were destroyed, they wouldn’t get into ANYONE’S hands!! So maybe the ATF should have directed FFLs to protect the people rather than the records... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patagonia Pete Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 No no no ... if you are a bad guy ... you simply get a list of gun safe sales from the store ... and/or from the people who deliver them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Patagonia Pete said: No no no ... if you are a bad guy ... you simply get a list of gun safe sales from the store ... and/or from the people who deliver them. Fortunately they are far from that smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Or get a list from UPS of all the private residences where they have delivered a hazmat package. Those are the people who have stockpiles of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calamity Kris Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 16 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Just what did Target have to do with the death of George Floyd?? Nothing except for their choice of corporate headquarters....................Minneapolis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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