Trigger Mike Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I watched Breaker Morant the other day and the song Soldiers of the Queen was in it. I liked the tune so I looked up the lyrics. There is a line about how "we've always won". This song was written in the late 1800s. Well after Lexington and Concord. Well after the Battle of New Orleans and the corresponding wars those battles were in. Seems like i read somewhere that Britain didn't win those two wars. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: I watched Breaker Morant the other day and the song Soldiers of the Queen was in it. I liked the tune so I looked up the lyrics. There is a line about how "we've always won". This song was written in the late 1800s. Well after Lexington and Concord. Well after the Battle of New Orleans and the corresponding wars those battles were in. Seems like i read somewhere that Britain didn't win those two wars. Hmmm. I interact with British soldiers and RAF regularly. They are taught -- and believe -- that the War of 1812 was just another theater in their war against Napoleon, and that we were allied with Napoleon. No such alliance existed. In fact, this is counter to President Madison's overt claim that we despised Napoleon on principle, as we had fought to overturn the idea of nobility in our country and imperial government ruled by brute strength. Madison asserted (as did members of Congress) that his request for a declaration of war against Great Britain was independent of the war Great Britain was undertaking against Napoleon. Madison was careful to proclaim this rather loudly to avoid any other European power declaring war against us as they fought off Napoleon. These same Brits also claim to have won said war -- again, couch it under a war against Napoleonic imperialism and it sort of makes sense, since Napoleon was defeated. However, from the American perspective it was a separate war altogether, and rooted in British transgressions against our people. As to the Revolutionary War, I'm not sure how they can defend "not losing" that one. The Treaty of Paris (1783) pretty much outlined it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Cyrus Cassidy #45437 said: As to the Revolutionary War, I'm not sure how they can defend "not losing" that one. The Treaty of Paris (1783) pretty much outlined it. They would say, “Didn’t lose, old boy. Simply got tired of you colonials and went home”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: They would say, “Didn’t lose, old boy. Simply got tired of you colonials and went home”. But Cornwallis still signed the surrender document Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 28 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: They would say, “Didn’t lose, old boy. Simply got tired of you colonials and went home”. Not worth the effort. The colonies won’t amount to much anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Cyrus Cassidy #45437 said: These same Brits also claim to have won said war -- again, couch it under a war against Napoleonic imperialism and it sort of makes sense, since Napoleon was defeated. However, from the American perspective it was a separate war altogether, and rooted in British transgressions against our people. And our desire for Canada............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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