Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 In a story I'm reading, Bad Men Die by William J. Johnstone, the hero is going to jump in the water and swim to a riverboat to get some bad guys. The writer says, The water won't stop the Colts from firing but it's not good for them in the long run" Will they still fire after being submerged in water for 5 minutes? These are cartridge guns but black powder. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 A properly loaded cartridge with black powder should be as watertight as any other. It won’t last forever getting soaked, but I can see a five minute swim to get the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 What CH SAID!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 It's a myth that a gun won't fire after it's been under water. Of course the longer it stays underwater the less the chances are it will fire, but think of it this way how many times that a gun gets soaking wet and it still works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 A .22 revolver will! Don't ask how I found out 15 feet down in a harbor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 It’s the ammo that is the problem, not the gun. If the ammo is sealed well, like military ammo, it will fire even after months or even years of submersion. Commercial ammo should survive short or moderate periods of submersion as well. Handloads, it depends on how well sealed they are. My Colt Commander was submerged one time for about 30 hours or so (another story for another time), and 5 of the 8 handloaded rounds fired. If you are actually firing the gun under water, don’t forget that the water in the barrel has weight and that is added to the bullet weight as far as the gun is concerned. The result is an increase in pressure. Lead is about 8 times as dense as water so in a pistol with a 4” barrel, it would be the equivalent of having a load with two bullets. Probably not a good idea to shoot a submerged pistol with full loads. It will fire though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Flats Jack Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 I accidentally wet tumbled some 38 semi wadcutters a while back. They went through the full 2 hour cycle. Put them through a snub nose 1 at a time just to see if they'd fire. All of them went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 PLUS ONE too what all them other guys above said. However, bullets don't go very far underwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 This is why we was thought by Grandpa to put a sealant on the primer after loading . Increase the chance of a wet round firing by 75% Per Grandpa . So saith the Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 When shooting a revolver underwater, would the bullet leave the barrel, before water creeped in either through the cylinder gap, or the back part of the chamber, thus extinguishing the burning of powder, which would thus reduce the powder of said burning powder? Would this be dependent on the pressure of the water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 under water shooting vid check out the "smarter every day" video also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 For what it's worth guys I never said the HERO was going to shoot his Colt UNDERWATER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: For what it's worth guys I never said the HERO was going to shoot his Colt UNDERWATER! The title was Guns IN water, not wet guns. Therein lies the diff. We had a thread a while ago about submerged guns firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 said: under water shooting vid check out the "smarter every day" video also Did you notice that the semi-auto failed to extract the spent casing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 12 hours ago, Cemetery said: When shooting a revolver underwater, would the bullet leave the barrel, before water creeped in either through the cylinder gap, or the back part of the chamber, thus extinguishing the burning of powder, which would thus reduce the powder of said burning powder? Would this be dependent on the pressure of the water? The pressure of the burning powder is greater than the water pressure and simply blows the water away. wWhether or not this would work at extreme depths where the water psi is horrendous, I don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: The title was Guns IN water, not wet guns. Therein lies the diff. We had a thread a while ago about submerged guns firing. I tried to explain that the hero was going to have his guns underwater for 5 minutes. To clear this up he was NOT shooting underwater he was swimming to the riverboat to get the bad guys. I guess I wasn't clear enough but as usual threads go their own way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulp, SASS#28319 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 A friend of mine, on a bet, loaded all six chambers of his '51 Navy, capped them off, then put the gun in a bucket of water overnight. Next morning all six fired. He won the bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Did you notice that the semi-auto failed to extract the spent casing? At the 2;40 you see one eject weakly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 I noticed that the slug from the semi-auto were acrobatic instantly on leaving the muzzle but the revolver slug wobbled only slightly but ran a truer course and appeared to travel further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 DANG YOU RYE MILES! The ROC will be meeting soon to discuss rules for the new SASS Underwater Category! New costumes, new scuba tanks, and a new Handbook! What have you done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Oh, I forgot the Underwater Mounted Shooting Manual and the Wild Bunch Submerged Manual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 UPDATE: The HERO of the story emerged from the river and climbed onto the boat and immediately starting firing his two Remingtons, all went off without a FTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, Sawyer said: Oh, I forgot the Underwater Mounted Shooting Manual and the Wild Bunch Submerged Manual! A long undiscovered use for sea horses. (Why don't my emojis work today?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I read a book on the beginning of the Remington gun company. After the invent of cartridge guns, Russia ordered 10,000 rounds of ammo , which would have been loaded with black powder. The ship sank right after it had left the dock, but it took 6 months for the ammo to be recovered. Remington decided to try firing it to see how much of the ammo was ruined. After 6 months submerged in salt water all 10,000 rounds went off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Sounds like “gamers” to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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