Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Hi: I have a 44 caliber cylinder that I was told was for an Uberti Open Top revolver. But, it is not, as it is too short. So, I believe it is from a Uberti RM Conversion revolver, or an Uberti C. Mason Conversion 1860 revolver If you shoot them, the favor I ask of you is: Measure the body of the cylinder (not including the gas ring or ratchet). My cylinder is just shy of 1.5 inches. It has a gas ring Please let me know if this is the same for yours. Thanks in advance --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Hi Dawg. I think the Uberti conversion and OT cylinders all have gas rings, and it doesn't look like that one does. Is it possible it is an ASM? There were some Uberti '60 R-M's way back that had different barrels and cylinders, not interchangeable with later models. But I think those had a gas ring also. edit: or are the calipers just covering the gas ring? I'm not at home or I could measure mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Another thought - the Uberti .44 conversion cylinders are all rebated. So...again, ASM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Hi Abilene: It has a gas ring -- Just covered up by the calipers. Looking on the Internet, I see the rebate on the RMs, so Maybe from a Uberti C. Mason 1860 Army revolver? I'm sure it's a Uberti, but I'm trying to figure out which model it is from. Thanks --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 What Taylors calls a C. Mason is same as Richards-Mason. And the Type II is the same except for the barrel. The only non-rebated Uberti conversion cylinders are the .38's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 And now that I think of it, 1.5" is the length of the Navy cylinder. Armies are longer. You sure it's a 44? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Dawg, My .38 Uberti RM's are 1.478", so they are shorter than yours. Tully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: And now that I think of it, 1.5" is the length of the Navy cylinder. Armies are longer. You sure it's a 44? Hi Abilene: Well, I figure with the conversion ring..... Yep, it's a 44 Special. It's a mystery to me. I also used to shoot 44 Open Tops. This came in a package of 44 cylinders & barrels I got years ago. I found it in a box of Uberti 44 Open Top stuff that I had stuck on an upper shelf I had not shot this particular barrel, so I was surprised when I found it to be much too short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 BeeDooo BeeDooo BeeDooo Peeked at my Uberti R/M Conversion. Mine is a .38 and measures 1.485. The Uberti R/M Conversions, unlike the Open Top, will not interchange 38 > 44 Cylinders and Barrels. Your Cylinder shows .010 longer than my 38. I'm betting yours is from a Uberti .44 R/M Conversion. If it were sans that pesky Gas Ring it could make a nice Pencil Holder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Based on measurement with the same type Caliper as yours (different name) and the knowledge the 38 and 44 are NOT interchangeable and the knowledge there is not a "large" dimensional" difference, it's pretty apparent your cylinder is a Uberti R/M 44. I noticed my caliper does not have parallel jaws so I took the gun apart to measure a second time. Second Opinion as it twer. The main difference between the .44 and the .38 is the gated recoil shield. The actual frame dimensions are the same. The 1860 R/M was built around the .45 Colt Cartridge although the 45 is a "never never" in conversion guns. The 45 drove the R/M 1860 based on consumer demand for the .45. The dimension of the Type II Richards was also driven by the 45 and for the same reason. Atz why the Type II Richards is so oversize and clunky. I digress. Skuze. Your zillender is Uberti for the R/M conversion in .44. Burma Shave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 49 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: ...Skuze. Your zillender is Uberti for the R/M conversion in .44. Burma Shave Think again. Uberti RM .44 cylinders are rebated. They are also long enough to fit a .45 Colt round, and Dawg's is only long enough for .44 Spcl. The only way it could be for the Uberti RM is if it is for one of the earliest models I mentioned that had barrels/cylinders that were different dimensions, and only if those were non-rebated, which I doubt but is possible I suppose. Barbasol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Well, it appears that I have a shiny, pretty pencil holder, unless I can find an RM in 44 locally, that I can try the cylinder on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 46 minutes ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: Well, it appears that I have a shiny, pretty pencil holder, unless I can find an RM in 44 locally, that I can try the cylinder on. You could also look for a .44 Type II, as that is exactly the same as the Richards Mason, except for barrel. Same p/n on cylinder. I have a .44 Type II, and no way that cylinder would fit. I also have a .38 Type II, and that cylinder might fit that one, but wrong caliber. The 1860 RM's and Type II's in .38 with the non-rebated cylinder have a longer forcing cone section on the rear of the barrel to make up for the shorter cylinder (also a longer gas ring on the front of the cylinder). So for now, pencil holder it is, I suppose. Finding one of the really old ones with different dimensions to compare would be tough. You don't suppose there's any chance someone bored a .38 cylinder to .44 for some reason? One other thought is that it could have been an Uberti mistake? Not likely, but possible. I've seen some weird mistakes from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Thanks for all your help Abilene & Coffinmaker! Speaking of mistakes, one of the Open Top barrels was stamped "44-40", which was not an open top caliber. It is just a 44 caliber 5.5" barrel, so no problem using it! Just mis-marked. I'll tuck the cylinder in the back of my desk drawer, in case the opportunity (of an appropriate pistola) ever presents itself. Have a good week! --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 FWIW - My ASM 44 Colt RM cylinder is 1.575". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Thanks Injun Ryder! Good information to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Dawg, if you still have that bag of barrels, see if one of them has a longer forcing cone than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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