Sedalia Dave Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 California, Ohio, Illinois, Massachusetts close bars and restaurants in effort to slow coronavirus Wonder what all those people now out of work are going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Howdy Dave. Its my understanding that because these actions fall under 'Natl Emergency' and some of the guidelines, these folks will still get paid with Fed money. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding of the situation. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Howdy Dave. Its my understanding that because these actions fall under 'Natl Emergency' and some of the guidelines, these folks will still get paid with Fed money. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding of the situation. ..........Widder Sure hope so. Too many people live paycheck to paycheck. Living on credit cards and payday loans is like flailing in quicksand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 My concern (or one of them) that even with $$ in our pocket, there's gonna be store closing, food shortages, No truck deliveries, etc..... and problems will multiply for a while. With slow truck deliveries, there could start to be a shortage of gas. But because we ain't going anywhere, most of us will be able to get by on less than 1/2 of our fuel usage. As long as I have fuel for my ATV and get back on the farm to shoot, I should be o.k. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Do they really have the authority to close private businesses? Communist countries can do that but the United states?? I hope they are challenged quickly and vigorously. Either the Constitution means something or it doesn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Where else can I expect to find some toilet paper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I’m going to sell a horse and apply for reimbursement! Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raylan Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 The governor in Illinois has closed all public schools, all restaurants, all bars. You can get drive through and take out, wonder if that includes bars? So I guess a national emergeny or state emergency allows them to do whatever they want. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Actual working restaurants will be like the speakeasies a century ago, “Joe sent me.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Ohio's Governor forbade all gatherings of over a hundred souls. The virus is intelligent, you see, and if only 99 are present, it won't infect anyone. The Governor's decree already cancelled the annual Civil War Show in Mansfield, and my grandson's wedding -- he's a Columbus fire medic and was going to be married and receptioned in their Union hall -- so now El Gobierno has to close restaurants and beer joints as well. I don't know a single beer joint that holds anywhere near a hundred souls -- they do exist, just none around here -- and I reckon if you crowded some, you could get a hundred into a Texas Road House ... but closing restaurants and beer joints? "Me heap big politician, me doing something!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Mosby Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 You nailed it Linn!! When pressured politico's always fall back on the "Feels Good" legislation. It doesn't do much good at all but they can still puff out the chest, thump it vigorously and loudly brag about what a good job they are doing. And then you have the megalomaniacs like our own gruesom who is already threatening martial law if the old folks don't hide in theor homes like he told them to. It's all in the name of instilling as much panic as possible in the sheeple out there, making them more receptive to government taking control. And calling it temporary is a bald face lie. Can you actually see the government giving up control once they take it? Rant off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Clay, you speak truly, especially with the part about calling it temporary! Ohio's gasoline tax is an example! It was originally a temporary measure, enacted during one of the World Wars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 11 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Do they really have the authority to close private businesses? Communist countries can do that but the United states?? I hope they are challenged quickly and vigorously. Either the Constitution means something or it doesn’t. I agree 100%. Totally unconstitutional for a Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Somehow, doesn't bother me in the least. I expect the government to do something on a state-wide and/or national scale, when we are threatened with an epidemic. What is the alternative? Saying "pretty-please", and hoping everyone will voluntarily close down? We can already see that won't work. If the primary method of infecting others is social contact, closing down venues and doing everything possible to stop the spread is logical and wise. As for conspiracy theories ("They are just doing it to seize power"; :They want to blame it on Trump by wrecking the economy" ) - ridiculous. Close it all down, and stay home. The burden is relatively slight, compared with infecting everyone you know. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Mosby Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 For a lot of folks what you're saying is reasonable LL, but, and there is always a but, what about the marginal folks living paycheck to paycheck? Or are we facing a sacrificing some for the benefit of others situation? The handling of this thing from the start is what got us here. The media and government is pushing the panic as if we were facing a disease with 70-80% mortality rate. Not saying it isn't serious, and not saying it was a conspiracy against this that and the other, just saying it's been handled in such a way as to generate maximum panic to make draconian measures more palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Clay: As best as I can tell, the "panic" is primarily due to overblown reporting, fed by groundless gossip and uninformed social media speculation - not the government. For the most part, the folks involved in the government broadcasts have been very controlled. The media, on the other hand, are like a bunch of bush league weathermen on the day of the first snowfall - "The sky is falling; we're all about to be buried; worst blizzard in history expected" - and then we get 2" of light powder. Like a lot of folks here, I'm in the "delicate age category", as well as a life-long vivtim of various respiratory diseases. I'm also very concerned about the reports of a gross lack of respirators and other life-saving equipment in hospitals, likely to be rationed if/when the number of admissions swells beyond the ability of the health care folks to effectively respond. I am anxious to avoid a situation where someone has to decide between life-saving treatment for a 25 year old or for a 68 yr. old crusty curmugeon; I think I know how that analysis will come out in the end. So, anything I can do to avoid the virus in the first place is of paramount importance to me, and anything that others can do to reduce the load at hospitals would be greatly appreciated (in other words, stay well for the benefit of all of us). LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 12 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Howdy Dave. Its my understanding that because these actions fall under 'Natl Emergency' and some of the guidelines, these folks will still get paid with Fed money. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding of the situation. ..........Widder The self employed people are screwed unless they pay into unemployment. I've been self employed for practically all my working life (I'm still working part time as I'm semi-retired) I've never paid into unemployment and never collected any either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Mosby Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I agree LL, that it's the media rather than the government that is whipping the panic. That doesn't mean there aren't a few less than desirable politico' trying to take advantage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Clay Mosby said: For a lot of folks what you're saying is reasonable LL, but, and there is always a but, what about the marginal folks living paycheck to paycheck? Or are we facing a sacrificing some for the benefit of others situation? The handling of this thing from the start is what got us here. The media and government is pushing the panic as if we were facing a disease with 70-80% mortality rate. Not saying it isn't serious, and not saying it was a conspiracy against this that and the other, just saying it's been handled in such a way as to generate maximum panic to make draconian measures more palatable. Using approximate numbers to keep things simple: 300 million people in the U.S. and a 1.5% mortality rate is 450,000 dead. On a more personal level I don't want to attend my parents funerals (both in the over 70 age group) or the funerals of my cowboy friends (many also in the over 70 age group) because someone who knew they were infected decided not to self isolate and instead choose to carry on like nothing was wrong. On edit: The U.S. has only a certain of hospital beds and trained medical people (and I include the National Guard units), if the number of patients exceeds the bed capacity and there isn't enough medical staff, the mortality rate is going to go up significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Corona has killed 55. Flu killed 1600 so far. Nobody closed restaurants because of flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Corona has killed 55. Flu killed 1600 so far. Nobody closed restaurants because of flu. Just noticed your new pic. Sure....you've got the latest in sci-fi hi-tech respiratory protection....you can afford to mock the rest of us...... LL PS: Maybe someone should have closed some restaurants because of the flu; or at least told us what was happening while there was time to do something about it. Before the corona virus, did you know that the flu killed thousands in the US each year? I didn't. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I don't think there are conspiracies afoot, I don't think the virus was a manufactured weapon. I just think that at times of panic we need the Constitution more than ever. I am suspicious of any government official that wants to suspend any part of the Constitution for any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Just noticed your new pic. Sure....you've got the latest in sci-fi hi-tech respiratory protection....you can afford to mock the rest of us...... LL PS: Maybe someone should have closed some restaurants because of the flu; or at least told us what was happening while there was time to do something about it. Before the corona virus, did you know that the flu killed thousands in the US each year? I didn't. LL Yes I did know but the thing is that mostly the very young and very old were victims. Apparently those age groups are not really that important enough in our society to raise awareness or cause more proactive measures. Now the same age groups are the most at risk with Covid-19 but the inflammable reporting has cause a general public panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 For perspective All the below numbers are for the US only and not world wide. Flu broke records for deaths, illnesses in 2017-2018, new CDC numbers show Quote Influenza killed about 80,000 people in the 2017-2018 season, according to figures released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The previous high for a regular flu season, based on analyses dating back more than three decades, was 56,000 deaths This Past Flu Season Was the Longest in 10 Years, the CDC Says Quote In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That's fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC's 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 This gets more stupid by the minute!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 19 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: California, Ohio, Illinois, Massachusetts close bars and restaurants in effort to slow coronavirus Wonder what all those people now out of work are going to do. Get rid of the virus and then get ready for babies showing up.... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 19 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Do they really have the authority to close private businesses? Communist countries can do that but the United states?? I hope they are challenged quickly and vigorously. Either the Constitution means something or it doesn’t. Restaurants and bars have to have a license to operate. So yeah, they can be closed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 The Bay Area in California is starting to bunker up! Received a call an hour ago from my nephew in Half Moon Bay, California. My nephew runs an electronics retail business there. https://abc7news.com/health/at-least-6-bay-area-counties-ordered-to-shelter-in-place/6018723/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence Cutter Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 21 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Do they really have the authority to close private businesses? Communist countries can do that but the United states?? I hope they are challenged quickly and vigorously. Either the Constitution means something or it doesn’t. Our flag is losing the white and blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Restaurants and bars have to have a license to operate. So yeah, they can be closed down. I’m not a lawyer. It just seems to me that revocation of a license without due process raises a question of legality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: I’m not a lawyer. It just seems to me that revocation of a license without due process raises a question of legality. The license isn’t revoked but under the conditions it’s issued are such clauses and conditions that allow them to shut you down. Public Heath Crisis and State of Emergency are a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 The revolution will start when the Liquor Stores are ordered to close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raylan Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Well our society functioned for 200 plus years without such nationwide and statewide edicts through many deadly repeated pandemics without shutting down everything and without such national panic. I agree with treating the virus seriously and taking prudent precautions - but I also see politicians, media, and people on social media acting out of panic or in response to panic. History teaches us that the unscrupulous will take advantage of and learn from a crisis to guide future actions or plans. And I do not trust the elite to not abuse the new power they have found/discovered through this crisis to try to further their agenda's at the expense of individual rights and liberty. Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am. Certainly with modern transportation disease can spread far faster and more widely than in the past. But medicine and treatment are also much more advanced than in the past too. Well, prayers for all and for our nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 All casinos, bars and dine-in restaurants in Louisiana are closing. I live in Mississippi, but close to New Orleans, so the local news is from New Orleans. My area in MS has been spared so far, I guess inbredredneck has it's advantages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I get public alerts from Cambridge, MA, seven cases there so far. IIRC one hospitalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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