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I'm not going to argue the merits of a .243 vs larger calibers on larger game but from my deer hunting experience the only deer I did not drop with one shot from my .243 were the deer I missed. And they dropped quickly. All dead before they hit the ground? I don't know. Couple of 'em sure seemed to be lights out asap though.

 

Are there perhaps better calibers? Probably. Sure.

 

Did the .243 work just fine for me? Sure seemed to. Put quite a few white tails and big muleys in the freezer.

 

If I was to go hunt deer now I'd use a Marlin 30-30 and keep my shots closer than 150 yards. Why not the .243? Cause I no longer have it. Sold it to a friend so she could hunt deer. :D

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On 3/14/2020 at 5:30 PM, Frederick Jackson Turner said:

Interesting batch of responses! (I'll get back to you on the 30-40 Krag in an 1895 Winchester, later, 40-Rod!)

 

Lotsa love for the hard hitting, flat shooting .270; and I agree that the .30s are tough to beat for an All Around Rifle.

 

I'm intrigued about the 6.5, with which I have little experience. 

 

We should do a radio show segment on this; you all are a mountain of information!

 

Cheers,

FJT

 

Still waiting for the "get back" part.  :D

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The biggest factor for me is availability of ammo. 30-06, 308, 30-30 are typically stocked everywhere. Even mom and pop stores have these calibers.

Some calibers are not very popular and are hard to find. If you forget ammo or run out can you always find the other calibers, what are your hunting companions carrying? 

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I suppose my VIRTUAL Model 1917 Sporter, in 30-06. My Virtual Marlin 1894 in .44 Mangle em is lighter, but the .30-06 has more versatility

in ammunition, and more knockdown power at longer distance.  so this. DSCF0183.thumb.JPG.515043e88454a12e8224e58d9c8961b2.JPG

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hey BMC 

 

  ya relly need to get a nice stock under that 1917 , send that fence post to me . I will take care of it for ya :P

 

 good to see ya is still upright 

 

  CB 

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Always an interesting question.

 

For me, the answer would be the Winchester Pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06 in my safe.

 

Dutch

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I know nothing about the .243 and thus speak from ignorance. But if many very experienced hunters have had serious trouble with It, notwithstanding hitting the game well, it would seem to be a dubious and marginal round, even if others have had good success. Why not use a more reliable caliber?

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17 minutes ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said:

I know nothing about the .243 and thus speak from ignorance. But if many very experienced hunters have had serious trouble with It, notwithstanding hitting the game well, it would seem to be a dubious and marginal round, even if others have had good success. Why not use a more reliable caliber?

The .243 Win is a good round but it is velocity sensitive, it must have the correct speed for bullet expansion.  Even the 25-06 Rem has a relatively limited effective range due to velocity drop from hunting barrels.  

 

Given the size of game listed by the op are 30-250# in my area, a 300 Win Mag is more recoil and meat/hide damage than needed for ethical take.

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I wouldn't give up my 270 or 6.5 Swede but I gotta rethink the original post.  Of course a bolt gun but 6.5  Creedmoor ammo is just about everywhere and it'll do the job in any of those critters mentioned with the right bullets

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Another old favorite ~ the Savage Model 1920! 

 

I gave this one to my son, Sassparilla Kid, a few years ago.  One of the sweetest rifles I've ever shot... chambered in .250 Savage (aka .250-3000).  At a bit over 5 lbs, it's light, handy, surprisingly accurate with that Marble's S-20 rear sight, and cuter'n a rifle has a right to be.  ^_^

 

I have the 1926 version in .300 Savage - a slightly beefier version of this one.  

 

 

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On 3/19/2020 at 12:55 AM, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

Howdy, Dave!  Back in the 90's a Butterfield & Butterfield appraiser checked out the cape gun for me - it was made by German gunsmith Reinhard Stahl in the 1880's.  He said that it was kind of an enigma; the stock carvings are heavy and obviously German, but he said the metal engraving was likely British.

 

Correct on the shotgun side ~ 16 gauge.  The rifle side is, I believe, the obsolete 10.5X47R.  I keep promising myself to one day become real ambitious and form brass for the rifle side and buy some 16 ga brass shotshells - I'd love to shoot it at least once!

 

Barrels are Damscus, but quite beefy; I think it would stand up to mild black powder loads.  :)

 

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That is really beautiful!

 

You might try the fellers at the German Gun Collectors Association forum. You can prolly find someone for load data and maybe brass. I'm sure the first thing they will ask is for pictures of every proof mark, number, and date on there. Once they see that, they'll prolly be able to tell you what the phase of the moon was when it was made, The second thing they will do is tell you to make a chamber cast and get dimensions. They are a pretty friendly lot. Or were last time I looked a few years ago.

 

Something else, it would have been proofed in Germany and if it ever made it to England and was sold, it would have been proofed there. All those markings would be on the flats on the bottom of the barrels. The rifle barrel should (may not) have the load marked on either the flat or the bottom of the barrel. That early it will be in gauge and not actual metric bore most like. That's all I got this morning before coffee and bacon.

 

Some of the guns people post pictures of are amazing.

 

That is a truly wonderful gun!

 

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7 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

Another old favorite ~ the Savage Model 1920! 

 

I gave this one to my son, Sassparilla Kid, a few years ago.  One of the sweetest rifles I've ever shot... chambered in .250 Savage (aka .250-3000).  At a bit over 5 lbs, it's light, handy, surprisingly accurate with that Marble's S-20 rear sight, and cuter'n a rifle has a right to be.  ^_^

 

I have the 1926 version in .300 Savage - a slightly beefier version of this one.  

 

 

     1306565188_Savage203.thumb.jpg.47388a24e4418e4f6eca569d83206bb1.jpg                1333000175_Savage201.jpg.1df9b4674a7773556711abdf373a3e73.jpg

 

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Dang it Hardpan those are nice rifles....always wanted one

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My old bolt action 30-06...it has earned its status and #1 in my safe.  Bought in 1957 and solid as ever.

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