Major General Shagnasty Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 At one of our matches a shooter shot his 10 rounds from his revolvers at A , then moved to B and shot 2 rounds from his rifle and it then broke. He laid the gun down and moved to C and shot the shot gun to close the stage. He came to the unloading table with the broken gun and he and another shooter worked on unjamming the 73. 8 rounds were being removed from the 73 and It was my turn to shoot and the last one on the possie, so I left the unloading table and turned it over to a fellow shooter. When the next stage was disscribed and the shooter that had the jammed 73 and I were at the loading table, we both noticed that his revolvers were not unloaded when he left the unloading table. What would have been the correct call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 SDQ Quote Failure to adhere to loading and unloading procedures. SHB p.23 Quote Any competitor’s failure to adhere to loading and unloading procedures will result in a penalty of a Stage Disqualification. - Leaving the unloading table without clearing all firearms will result in the penalty being assessed on the stage where the infraction was committed. Competitors arriving at the designated loading area with uncleared firearms after completing a stage within the same day will be assessed a Stage Disqualification penalty on the previously completed stage SHB p.29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 That's why I always have the shooter unload his pistols before they work on their rifle (or) they other way around if their pistols are the jammed firearm. Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 "Within the same day"... Because a few years ago there was a 47 page discussion about a shooter showing up at the loading table for the first stage of a match with empties in his revolvers because he never cleared them after the last stage last weekend. Just thought I'd stir it up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 SDQ, it happened to me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Rafe Conager SASS #56958 said: That's why I always have the shooter unload his pistols before they work on their rifle (or) they other way around if their pistols are the jammed firearm. Rafe Immediately upon arriving at the ULT, get in the habit of placing ALL of your guns on the table, with loading gates open on pistols. Verify ALL guns as clear before reholstering pistols. That way you don't make the O. P. MISTAKE described here, and if you happen to miss the holster and drop a pistol reholstering, after having them declared clear, you are no longer "on the stage" or on the "line of fire", so you avoid the SDQ penalty for the dropped pistol. (Good advice given to me by Snakebite on my very first safety walk through, when I began CAS shooting.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky R. K. Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: SDQ, it happened to me!! Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major General Shagnasty Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 8 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: SDQ SHB p.23 SHB p.29. Thank you, was not sure if the SDQ would be for the stage just shot, or the stage about to be shot because of bring a non cleared gun to the loading table, or both stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirrupTrouble Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Major General Shagnasty said: Thank you, was not sure if the SDQ would be for the stage just shot, or the stage about to be shot because of bring a non cleared gun to the loading table, or both stages. SDQ is for the stage just shot, because that is the stage where he failed to adhere to unloading procedures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 The same day, next stage and shooter comes to the LT with empties in pistols, SDQ for the previous stage. As mentioned I ask the shooter to clear their guns before trying to fix whatever gun is messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 7 hours ago, Major General Shagnasty said: Thank you, was not sure if the SDQ would be for the stage just shot, or the stage about to be shot because of bring a non cleared gun to the loading table, or both stages. If you arrive at the LT with a gun that is not cleared, the SDQ is applied to the prior stage where the unloading infraction was committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: If you arrive at the LT with a gun that is not cleared, the SDQ is applied to the prior stage where the unloading infraction was committed. What if it's the first stage of the day?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: What if it's the first stage of the day?? That's an exception--a No Call situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Plains Hud SASS#64232 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Just for clarification. When is penalty applied? As soon as you leave unloading table? Release guns in gun cart? or arrive at loading table next stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 1 hour ago, High Plains Hud SASS#64232 said: Just for clarification. When is penalty applied? As soon as you leave unloading table? Release guns in gun cart? or arrive at loading table next stage. https://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/RO I Course - Student Handbook Vers 25 Jan7, 2020.pdf ROI pg 92 Quote *”Failure to adhere to loading/unloading procedure”, resulting in a Stage Disqualification penalty, is assessed at the following point: Once control of the firearm(s) is relinquished; be it in a rack on the stage or at the shooter’s gun cart. (i.e. leaves the shooters hand(s), having bypassed the loading/unloading table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: That's an exception--a No Call situation. That's what I thought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 The intent of the rule was to allow for folks that had made the offense of practicing before the match and left empties in their gun. So that would justify the no call. But since the wording is what we go by, I can see where there is some confusion. At one time in the game, we were allowed and even encouraged to use logic, but we have generally lost that in the false hope that rules can be written to cover all situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I think part of the problem comes in the "well, you never said I couldn't" mentality. We can no longer use logic and common sense for a situation; we have to spell it out to apply to everyone so someone doesn't get their feelings hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: We can no longer use logic and common sense for a situation; we have to spell it out to apply to everyone so someone doesn't get their feelings hurt. Griffin's New Age Dictionary: common; that which is seen most often. sense; physical sensation or intelligence level. Ergo, common sense now means sheer stupidity. Prefered phrasing should be "uncommon good sense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Hammer Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 3/9/2020 at 11:36 PM, Major General Shagnasty said: At one of our matches a shooter shot his 10 rounds from his revolvers at A , then moved to B and shot 2 rounds from his rifle and it then broke. He laid the gun down and moved to C and shot the shot gun to close the stage. He came to the unloading table with the broken gun and he and another shooter worked on unjamming the 73. 8 rounds were being removed from the 73 and It was my turn to shoot and the last one on the possie, so I left the unloading table and turned it over to a fellow shooter. When the next stage was disscribed and the shooter that had the jammed 73 and I were at the loading table, we both noticed that his revolvers were not unloaded when he left the unloading table. What would have been the correct call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Hammer Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 As I always tell a new shooter ...... Their is nothing you can do wrong I have not already done! I did exactly as you described. SDQ..... 100% my fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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