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Should women be required to register for the draft?


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You knew it had to come up in this age of PC.  The 5th US Court of Appeals will render a decision on whether women 18 years old be required to register for the draft, as are young men currently.  In a past decision the SCOTUS said that since women were not eligible to serve in combat, it was unconstitutional to require them to register.  But that is no longer true.  Such women as Senator Martha McSally, a former Air Force fighter pilot, have flown combat missions, and a female warrior is currently about to become a Green Beret!  No telling how either the 5th Court will rule, no whether the SCOTUS will take  up the question and rule, as it is certain there will be an appeal no matter which way the 5th rules.

 

What say you all?  Frankly, I'd rather not see my young granddaughter have to register.  OTOH, there is currently no draft, and not likely to be...unless the women's rights groups insist upon it!  My two grandsons registered on reaching 18. 

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When your grandsons registered, what were they classified as?

 

When I registered, in November of 73, the war was winding down, they were no longer drafting anyone. I was classified 1H. I think they said that the H stood for HOLDING.

 

Curious if that's how they still classify people.

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I would be more for it if and when a draft were to come about, if there were NO exemptions for politicians kids. I would be for some form of national service for all able bodied youth, or they can choose second level citizenship: Heinlein's "Starship" Troopers. No voting rights, no welfare, no preference for ANYTHING. Thirteen years as a Suicide Councilor, in addition to my military service ought to be worth something.

 

Imis

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3 minutes ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said:

If you want gender equality in other areas, you should support gender equality here. Of course, women who are pregnant or the sole support of their family should be exempt as should be men who are the sole support of their family.

 

What about men who are pregnant? ;)

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Alpo - No idea what their classifications are.  I doubt they know without digging out their draft cards, if they can find them. (Not that they have thrown them away,  but they may not be that organized! :rolleyes:  When I got my draft card back in 1960, I was 1A.  Latter changed to, IIRC, 2D or 4A, when I signed up for senior AFROTC as a junior in college.  Interestingly, my class was the last that could refuse our commissions when we graduated!  The next year, the cadets had to enlist in the AF Reserve.  Then if they declined the commission, they could be called up as Airmen Basic!  Only one of my class declined.  His father managed a Coca Cola bottling plant in Southern Illinois, and suffered a heart attack.  My classmate graduated, but went to take over the business,.  Don't know what happened to his status.  I saw in my college newsletter that he passed away a year ago! :(  

IT - I have often thought that maybe the military would benefit by a few involuntary troops.  At least among the officer corps a few people who weren't only interested in career progression might allow for a few differences of opinion.  I do agree that some type of national service would benefit the kids as well as the nation.  OTOH, not everybody is going to be qualified, for reasons of physical or mental health, so I would NOT reduce those people to second-class citizenship.  That would likely be unconstitutional.

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2 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

What about men who are pregnant? ;)

Transgender male? It has happened.  If "he" is pregnant, "he" should be excluded from the military.

 

Anyway, I thought that an exemption should granted for someone whose wife is pregnant, not just his "baby mama." If you want out of service based on your ability to impregnate a woman, marry her. :o

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Classifications:

 

1-A - Available for military service.

1-AM - Medical specialist available for military service.

1-A-O - Conscientious Objector - Conscientiously opposed to training and military service requiring the use of arms - fulfills his service obligation in a noncombatant position within the military. Those classified 1-A-O are conscientious objectors available for noncombatant military service.

1-A-OM - Medical specialist conscientious objector available for noncombatant military service.

1-C - Member of the Armed Forces of the United States, the Coast and Geodetic Survey, or the Public Health Service. (Enl) - enlisted; (Ind) - inducted; (Dis) - discharged

1-D - Member of a Reserve component or student taking military training.

1-H - Registrant not currently subject to processing for induction or alternative service.
Note: Within the cessation of registrant processing in 1976, all registrants (except for a few alleged violators of the Military Selective Service Act) were classified 1-H regardless of any previous classification.

1-O - Conscientious objector available for civilian work contributing to the national health, safety or interest.

1-OM - Medical specialist conscientious objector available for civilian work contributing to the national health, safety or interest.

1-S - Student deferred by status - (H) high school; (C) college.

1-W - Conscientious objector performing civilian work in the national health, safety or interest. (Rel) - Released.

1-Y - Registrant qualified for service only in time of war or national emergency.
Note: The 1-Y classification was abolished December 10, 1971. Local boards were subsequently instructed to reclassify all 1-Y registrants by administrative action.

2-A - Registrant deferred because of civilian occupation (except agriculture).

2-AM - Medical specialist deferred because of critical community need involving patient care.

2-C - Registrant deferred because of agricultural occupation.

2-D - Ministerial Students - Deferred from military service.

2-M - Registrant deferred for medical study.

2-S - Registrant deferred because of activity in study.

3-A - Hardship Deferment - Deferred from military service because service would cause hardship upon his family.

4-A - Registrant who has completed service; or sole surviving son.

4-B - Official deferred by law.

4-C - Alien or Dual National - Sometimes exempt from military service.

4-D - Ministers of Religion - Exempted from military service.

4-E - Conscientious objector opposed to both combatant and noncombatant training and service.

4-F - Registrant not qualified for military service.

4-FM - Medical specialist not qualified for military service.

4-G - Sole surviving son.

4-W - Conscientious objector who has completed civilian alternate service.

5-A - Registrant over the age of liability for military service.

 

I'm sure most of us, male or female are 5 A.

 

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My card has 4-F on it.

Yes I still have it in my wallet, not laminated.

Still original

 

It has not been updated in 48 years.

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My opinion of the draft.

Not needed.

Everyone serves 2 or 3 years at age 18 ,unless exempted.

There are plenty of state side office jobs to keep them busy.

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Equal rights, equal responsibility.  NO EXCEPTIONS!!!  Not for the families of politicians, the religious who won't fight, aliEns (if you want to stay here you have to earn the right), 

 

Pregnant women (and men if it ever comes to that) can do SOMETHING to fulfill their obligations.  There are jobs that need to be done and do not rquire the strength, skills, mental capacity, certain limbs, even eyesight that we use as guidelines today.

 

Some paraplegics and amputees have proven their worth as far back as 1970 to my personal knowledge.  We had blind workers working for us off site when I was at Caterpillar.  They were accurate, hard working, and proud to be helping and getting fair wages for their contributions.  There were four young ladies who were afflicted with Downs Syndrome who worked for me in a restaurant that I managed.  They bussed tables, poured coffee, and were all pets of the customers.  I tried to promote one and she thanked me but turned it down.  She said she liked working with her "friends" and knew her job "better than anyone else, anywhere".

 

We had all kinds of people working in places I have worked.....even Texans who didn't even speak the language.

 

Nearly everyone can do something.....very few cannot do anything and they can be tended by those who can.

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52 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

What about men who are pregnant? ;)

 

Naw.  They're in San Francisco.  San Francisco is a Sanctuary City.  They have Sanctuary.  

 

But they might have to do alternate service, such as scooping up the sidewalks...  Naw.  The City wouldn't want that.  

 

:wacko:

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yes to draft as they have now qualified for combat duty. Interesting aspect to equal rights.  Some of the results may not be what was expected.

Saw a You Tube video. Women punches a man, he punched her back. She calls cops to have him arrested for hitting a women. Cop was showed the tape form 29 phones. She got arrested for battery. Beware of what you ask for.

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Yes, including physically disabled. There is a job for everyone. Filter them out at induction

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Yes, women should be eligible for the draft, and be drafted and classified according to current rules of the Military draft system.
 

Cat Brules

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If anyone has to register, everyone should have to register.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

But I don't like the draft.  I do not want to fight beside someone with a conscript syndrome.  I had enough of those in Viet Nam.

But if someone wants to serve, we should find some job that person can do, even if he is deaf, blind and has peripheral neuropathy.

 

Duffield

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Howdy:

 

My Daughter served 28 yrs US Army - Corps of Engineers with 4.5 years in the sand box.  ALL my children served - Oldest son 28 yrs - 4.5 yrs in the sandbox, youngest 10 years Marines 1 year desert storm.  There is no excuse for not serving - if you are physically unable (Hard to imagine  - maybe completely bed ridden - maybe) or mentally incapacitated (blithering idiot)  - I might give you a pass.   You don't have to serve in the combat arms, there are lots of non-combatant positions and women can shoot as well as a man - I think my daughter could fight with a knife as well as any man, and she can shoot better than I.  She has a bronze star as does my older son.  I agree with those who say, no serving, not a full citizen.  JMHO - ymmv.

 

STL Suomi

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29 minutes ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

If anyone has to register, everyone should have to register.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

But I don't like the draft.  I do not want to fight beside someone with a conscript syndrome.  I had enough of those in Viet Nam.

But if someone wants to serve, we should find some job that person can do, even if he is deaf, blind and has peripheral neuropathy.

 

Duffield

I agree with most of the opinions stated here. However, my husband has peripheral neuropathy . He has very little control of his hands. He is right-handed and has no muscle control in that hand. No one but him can read his hand writing. When he applied for SS Disability, there was no problem as he had recently stepped on a nail that went through his boot (and injured his foot) and burned his arm on a weed-eater and didn't know it. He was unhirable. I'm sure that there are other levels of peripheral neuropathy. However, are they worth the extra work and consideration that would render them employable in the military?

 

I think that is someone is deaf, blind, or has peripheral neuropathy, and they wish to serve; they should be considered. Guidelines could be developed for them.  Better yet, consider them on a case-by-case basis. After all, if Stephen Hawking wanted to serve in an administrative position., we would be wise to consider his views.

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Yes.

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A certain segment of our society demands total equality in all things and claims that there is no difference between men and women.  Give 'me what they want and listen to them scream that women, because they are women, shouldn't be subjected to the draft.

Can't have it both ways.  Equal means equal, not just equal in some things.

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In 1966 I was classified as 1Y, I got married 2 years later and it was changed to 3A

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Because women can and do now serve in combat roles, yes, they should be required to register for the draft. I say that despite having two daughters in their twenties. I also prefer to attempt to maintain an all volunteer force, though.

 

My concern, as odd as it may seem, is how long we will be able to maintain an all volunteer force, particularly if the more "progressive" elements of the Democratic Party get their way. How so? Why do many join the military today? Things like learning a trade, or for college money, or even for healthcare. Prior to 9/11, I could probably count on one hand the number I knew who joined purely for "God and Country." There was a spike afterward, but now, all these years later, we have kids joining who have no memory of 9/11/2001. So long as the world remains as it is, we will need a strong force. Not to turn this political, but it seems if the left had their way, with "free" college and "free" healthcare, etc... might force us in the direction of a draft.

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People's knee-jerk reaction to a draft is all people drafted will wind up in combat roles.

 

I do not know with any certainty this would be the case.

 

Getting drafted and serving in the military in some capacity does not necessarily mean serving in a combat role as I see it.

 

Maybe I am wrong?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

People's knee-jerk reaction to a draft is all people drafted will wind up in combat roles.

 

I do not know with any certainty this would be the case.

 

Getting drafted and serving in the military in some capacity does not necessarily mean serving in a combat role as I see it.

 

Maybe I am wrong?

 

 

 

It takes a lot of support behind the tip of the spear to make it work.

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The vast majority of those who serve or have served are/were in non-combat roles. And that goes back far before any of us were born. 
 

The expectation, especially under conscription, is that they initially be trained and theoretically capable for that role. What happens after that is up to the vast Human Resources component of the military. 
 

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2 hours ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said:

I agree with most of the opinions stated here. However, my husband has peripheral neuropathy . He has very little control of his hands. He is right-handed and has no muscle control in that hand. No one but him can read his hand writing. When he applied for SS Disability, there was no problem as he had recently stepped on a nail that went through his boot (and injured his foot) and burned his arm on a weed-eater and didn't know it. He was unhirable. I'm sure that there are other levels of peripheral neuropathy. However, are they worth the extra work and consideration that would render them employable in the military?

 

I think that is someone is deaf, blind, or has peripheral neuropathy, and they wish to serve; they should be considered. Guidelines could be developed for them.  Better yet, consider them on a case-by-case basis. After all, if Stephen Hawking wanted to serve in an administrative position., we would be wise to consider his views.

Allie, I said IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SERVE.... 

I would not force anyone to serve, but my intent was to say that even the most totally and severely disabled person should be allowed to serve in some way if he/she wanted to. Deaf, Blind and with peripheral neuropathy was the most totally disabled that I could think of.

I did not intend to be insensitive to anyone.

 

Duffield

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3 minutes ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

Allie, I said IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SERVE.... 

I would not force anyone to serve, but my intent was to say that even the most totally and severely disabled person should be allowed to serve in some way if he/she wanted to. Deaf, Blind and with peripheral neuropathy was the most totally disabled that I could think of.

I did not intend to be insensitive to anyone.

 

Duffield

Sorry, Duffield! I misread your post.

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17 hours ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said:

If you want gender equality in other areas, you should support gender equality here. Of course, women who are pregnant or the sole support of their family should be exempt as should be men who are the sole support of their family.

 

"If you want gender equality"...IMHO (in reality) gender equality physically is impossible.  By nature women are better at some things (hand dexterity as one of many examples) then men and men are better (stronger) at some things.  Yes there are exceptions.

 

Feminists demanding equality then will also have to accept getting drafted.  IMHO

 

 

 

 

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Woman's right or not, if I'm injured (more likely a child or grandchild of mine is injured) in combat I want someone next to me who can carry me out and damn few women can sling me over their shoulder and walk off, probably none if I were carrying a combat load out.

 

Do we want to insist on feminists carrying their 'share' of responsibility if it means a less effective force?

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16 hours ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

If anyone has to register, everyone should have to register.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

But I don't like the draft.  I do not want to fight beside someone with a conscript syndrome.  I had enough of those in Viet Nam.

But if someone wants to serve, we should find some job that person can do, even if he is deaf, blind and has peripheral neuropathy.

 

Duffield

I understand.  I don't want some anti my rights and convictions in a battle situation with me.  Let them do something else: latrine clean up, medical services, baby siting, shoveling snow at a hospital, something that won't put anyone else at risk and, most importantly, won't offend me nor subject me to a "hostile environment".  (Their words, not mine.)

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