Trigger Mike Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 A friend who raises goats uses Anatolian Shepherds to protect them and is offering to sell me one for $200. Any thoughts or quirks on those type dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 That’s probably a great price for a purebred dog. It’s likely a token price, anyway BUT, it’s gonna be like a free horse......there is no such thing as “free”. The dog is too big! It will weigh 90 to 100+ pounds (like any big herding dog). It will cost a fortune to maintain ($3.00/day could be right, but may be a low or very low guess number), and at the age of 18 months to 2 years, you’ll be trying to give it away, but you won’t be able to. you won’t be able to go on trips very easily, and kennel bills will cost a lot. The dog will revert your its protective instincts and may threaten people she doesn’t know who come near or in contact to you. If you have kids, she may be overly protective of the kids and the family. She’s really too big to be in the house, but won’t be happy without company. The dog could be aggressive to strangers, and attack if it feels that she or her family unit are threatened. A friend’s affectionate hug to you or a family member could trigger an attack by a large, protective herd dog. I could go on, but I won’t. My neighbor has a female Great Pyrenees, but they have a 7-acre area fenced off and 6 sheep that It looks after and protects. Okay, so in short, I advise you to pass on getting this large dog, but you know your situation better than anyone, and you don’t need to justify anything you decide to me or anyone else. Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Quote The Anatolian Shepherd Dog is a breed of dog that originated in Turkey; named after the peninsula of Anatolia which forms a large portion of Turkey's national territory. The dog is rugged, large, and very strong, with good sight and hearing that allow it to protect livestock. Wikipedia Life expectancy: 13 – 15 years Origin: Turkey Height: Female: 28–31 inches (71–79 cm), Male: 29–32 inches (74–81 cm) Weight: Female: 88–120 lbs (40–55 kg), Male: 110–140 lbs (50–65 kg) https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/8-facts-about-the-anatolian-shepherd-dog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I’d expect it needs significant exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 I was planning on putting it in my goat fence as dogs killed 2 of my goats and wounded 2 others causing a miscarriage. I have foxes and coyotes and have neighbors who let their pit bull run free. I am curious about the expense you mentioned. Is it due to health issues? I read that it may be prone to anesthesia but I don't know what that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/8-facts-about-the-anatolian-shepherd-dog/ Ha! I gotta say, the photo edit was kinda like Adam puttin' on a fig leaf. I wouldn't have thought anything about it if it wasn't there. Now I'm wondering what the dog in the top picture has that the one on the bottom doesn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: I read that it may be prone to anesthesia but I don't know what that is. A gas which renders people and animals unconscious, usually for a surgical procedure. I'd be a little worried about that censored photograph. Never seen that before. Must be something they don't want to disclose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: I'd be a little worried about that censored photograph. Never seen that before. Must be something they don't want to disclose... A Puritanical photographer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: Ha! I gotta say, the photo edit was kinda like Adam puttin' on a fig leaf. I wouldn't have thought anything about it if it wasn't there. Now I'm wondering what the dog in the top picture has that the one on the bottom doesn't! A tattoo that says “Welcome to Jamaica! Have a nice day”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 My guess is that the dog has been aroused by some female in the area and someone thought the picture might be offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 It would be a wonderful dog to protect your livestock. They do need a good bit of socializing and eat a LOT. If you have the space they are excellent dogs. I know a couple of sheep herders who have them in the area. Love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 If you want to try protecting your goats with a dog the Anatolian is the way to go. I live in the TX hill country, some of my neighbors use Anatolians and Pyrenees and they swear by those dogs. I have been told you should keep interaction with them to a minimum if you want them to stay with the heard. In my opinion the dogs seem to work really well for people that do not live on their property full time. In my experience the best predator control is done by the ranchers that live on their property full time and are religious about setting snares and traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Trigger Mike said: I was planning on putting it in my goat fence as dogs killed 2 of my goats and wounded 2 others causing a miscarriage. I have foxes and coyotes and have neighbors who let their pit bull run free. I am curious about the expense you mentioned. Is it due to health issues? I read that it may be prone to anesthesia but I don't know what that is. Well, in that case: https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/8-facts-about-the-anatolian-shepherd-dog/ 1. They Were Bred to Guard Flocks From Predators The Anatolian Shepherd Dog is a livestock guardian dog, meaning he is in charge of watching over a flock and protecting the defenseless animals from predators. In modern-day Turkey, where the breed originated, Anatolian Shepherd Dogs are still used to guard flocks and property. 2. This Is an Ancient Breed Artifacts dating back to 2000 B.C. describe a dog in the Anatolian region that fits the description of the Anatolian Shepherd Dog: large and strong with a heavy head. The “Book of Job,” which is set in Turkey and dates back to 1800 B.C., describes these large dogs living among the flocks. 3. They Know How to Survive on Their Own Anatolians are extremely independent. They often had to find their own food, so they survived by hunting gophers and other small animals. Their instinct is to take care of themselves and the flock without needing instruction. 6. They Protect Endangered Species in America Anatolian Shepherd Dogs didn't really gain popularity in America until the Endangered Species Act (ESA) was passed in 1973. The ESA posed a problem: How do we control livestock predators that are now protected species and cannot be killed? The solution was to use livestock guardian dogs like the Anatolian Shepherd Dog, which can easily deter predators from attacking flocks simply by being present. 7. They Also Protect Cheetahs in Namibia Anatolians have been aiding in the cheetah conservation effort in Namibia since 1994. One of the reasons the cheetah population declined so significantly was that ranchers were killing cheetahs to protect their livestock. So Namibia's Cheetah Conservation Fund started a program to encourage ranchers to use Anatolian Shepherd Dogs to protect their flocks, reducing the need to kill cheetahs. The Anatolians have reduced livestock losses by 80 to 100 percent on farms with guard dogs, and the strategy has been extremely beneficial to the cheetah conservation effort. The expense, I expect, is just the cost of feeding them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/lifestyle/8-facts-about-the-anatolian-shepherd-dog/ and he's still a puppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Handsome dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Does it come with a saddle and bridle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffield, SASS #23454 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life said: Does it come with a saddle and bridle? Dog's backs CAN NOT handle weight like a horse's back can. They have the wrong musculature and bone structure. Please do not put young children or similar loads on dogs, even big dogs. Long odds you will cripple the dog for life. Duffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Get a tan colored one so you can put a wig on him. That'll get the attention of trespassers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: Get a tan colored one so you can put a wig on him. That'll get the attention of trespassers. That's a whole lot of dog. If it takes putting a wig on one to get somebody's attention, they weren't paying much attention in the first place. Mike, A whole lot of dog's gonna take a whole lot of owner, too. Know what you are getting into for your- and the dog's- sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 BBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, Dirty Dan Dawkins said: Start trapping and shooting the canines. Or maybe look around for someone that traps and allow them to trap your property. It won't take long to establish harmony on the TM Ranch. Catahoula and black mouth curs are fine dogs to keep predators at bay. Well tempered, good family dogs. Not overly large. My experience, not spastic like jack russels, clingy like labs or overly aggressive like some of the cattle dog breeds. Our neighbor lets harlequin great dane run the roads. That's a $1000-1500 lesson waiting to happen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 19 hours ago, Trigger Mike said: I was planning on putting it in my goat fence as dogs killed 2 of my goats and wounded 2 others causing a miscarriage. I have foxes and coyotes and have neighbors who let their pit bull run free. I am curious about the expense you mentioned. Is it due to health issues? I read that it may be prone to anesthesia but I don't know what that is. Get yourself a donkey. They are great at protecting cattle, goats, and sheep. They'll stomp the snot out of dogs, coyotes, and foxes. Compared to a very large dog, donkeys are very low maintenance. Plus you can go out of town for a day or so and they do just fine on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 Thought of the donkey route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Some good reading about using Donkeys as guard animals. Guidelines for Using Donkeys as Guard Animals with Sheep A bray keeps predators away Guard donkeys protect goat, sheep herds. Donkeys as Livestock Guardians: Pros and Cons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 12 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Get a tan colored one so you can put a wig on him. That'll get the attention of trespassers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 One other thought mentioned was a visitor who hugged me might get attacked by the dog, no one ever comes to see me so I probably won't have to worry about that. A plus side of the donkey is my 10 year old son wants me to get one so he can dress like festus on Halloween and ride the donkey to trick or treating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 they are tough and generally require a lot of seasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Name Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I say get both donkeys and the Anatolian. I live in a part of Texas known to have cougars, bobcats, coyotes, and rattlesnakes. Donkeys actually keep out the snakes as well. Anatolians are great protectors and very loyal, and mine would only be aggressive towards people I didn’t allow into my property. 200 is a great price if it is already a working dog. I haven’t had any problems with predators in the least bit since having them, except for a skunk that she apparently enjoys playing with.... As far as upkeep for the dog, it really isn’t bad at all. Go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 what will the shepherd do with snakes? Yes this is a dog already working with a pack my friend has in his pen. He says he will see if another fiend has a female as they do better paired. his female that is not the males mom has health issues and he said he would not recommend that she have pups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Name Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Donkeys are for the snakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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