Make do Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I have a bunch (1000's) of hollow base wad cutters and I noticed a bit in the rule book about bullets being flush with the case mouth as being illegal. I typically seat the wad cutter about 1/4 inch above flush - would that be legal - these are for pistol only and typically they shoot very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Yes. Leave a little bit of lead above case mouth, and you are good. (Keep them well away from any magazine-fed rifles, as you know.) Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Make do said: I have a bunch (1000's) of hollow base wad cutters and I noticed a bit in the rule book about bullets being flush with the case mouth as being illegal. I typically seat the wad cutter about 1/4 inch above flush - would that be legal - these are for pistol only and typically they shoot very well. At or above is LEGAL: Quote Ammunition with bullets recessed below the case mouth is not allowed. SHB p.27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 If you have a Marlin 1894, it is possible to set the carrier and timing to allow successful usage of full wadcutters. When I had my .38 competition, I used a few 000's of them in it with no issues. Proper carrier mod is the secret. Otherwise, you'll feel like you're in Heartbreak City..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 If you can look straight across the mouth of the case and see lead, it's legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make do Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 Thanks for the replies - Why the rule in the first place is there a safety concern I am unaware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I remember when the rule was implemented, and was present when it was discussed... but... I probably stepped away for another adult beverage, so I don't remember the particulars! (Something about it not being a "traditional" cowboy era bullet type is tickling at the memory banks...) Maybe because there's no mechanical grip on the bullet to keep it from telescoping and creating a possible overpressure situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I don't remember who made them, but there was a run or three of ammunition loaded commercially for CAS with the bullet set WAY DOWN in the case. Very light powder change. Recoil like a .22. Rules committee jump'd on it like a chubby kid onna twinkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 PWB, WHY are these”below-the-case” rim/mouth cartridges illegal? Is the reason really as CC stated above. That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, because I believe you could make similar low-recoil ammo with trimmed cases, a different, shorter case ammo or a different, lighter caliber, etc. I might could see at least another possible reason for it, but what's the actual reason for the rule? Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I don't remember who made them, but there was a run or three of ammunition loaded commercially for CAS with the bullet set WAY DOWN in the case. Very light powder change. Recoil like a .22. Rules committee jump'd on it like a chubby kid onna twinkie. That was NOT the ROC...it was the TG's (see next post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 IIRC, The primary reason for disallowing ammunition with recessed bullets was the difficulty in visually determining whether it was a live/unfired round or an empty casing (e.g. at the ULT) A few "top guns" (and wannabes) at the time were attempting to achieve lighter loads by loading revolver ammo in that manner. There was no minimum velocity/power factor rule at the time. (1999) Quote Motion and second was made to disallow recessed bullet loads. Motion carried. This rule does not effect wadcutters or other bullets loaded at or above the case mouth. ? Power Factor Motion and second was made to not institute a rule specifying a minimum velocity standard. Motion carried. Source: 1st TG SUMMIT MEETING MINUTES (1999) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 i need a little education here - why would you set the bullet so far into the case ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Reduce the case volume. cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Economy and/or reduced recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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