Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Winter Range Starting Position Winter Range Shooters! We have a new "Winter Range only" stage convention that is important for you to know regarding shooter "stance". Our new stage language "at the ready" means that the shooter may crouch and be in an athletic "ready" posture before beginning the stage. Other stance instructions will always apply (hands at low surrender, touching revolvers, etc). For all stages, whether indicated or not, the shooter may be "at the ready" (shooter does not have to stand erect with hands at their sides unless so indicated). This convention applies at Winter Range ONLY, and does not change SASS rules at other SASS sanctioned matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Very VERY wise decision. Applies equally to everybody. I said this immediately when they invented the SASS default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 In the midwest we used to have a starting position written as SAGAP. It meant “start as gamey as possible”. Any body position was ok as long as hands never started touching firearm or ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Good idea. WR has been a leader in doing things their way. I'm sure that SASS will adapt and clarify the rules to fit the situation. SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 The SE Regional, last year, adopted a much similar convention. They called it standing 'at shooter's discretion.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 When you're standing "at the ready" where are your hands? If you're standing behind a staged rifle can your hands be extended towards the rifle, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 said: When you're standing "at the ready" where are your hands? If you're standing behind a staged rifle can your hands be extended towards the rifle, etc... Good point! Thoughts, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L said: Other stance instructions will always apply (hands at low surrender, touching revolvers, etc). I've re-read Johnny's post. I figure "at the ready" will then include directions for hand position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 "At the ready " Hands at the end of your arms not touching guns or ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 It sounds like you can stand however you like with hands however you like as long as you’re not touching guns or ammo and complying with any specific stage instructions. I like it. Wish that was SASS default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just plain Yeeeh, Haaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jackrabbit Joe #414 said: Just plain Yeeeh, Haaa. +1 Joe....now us "over the hilll"...make that way over-the-hill pards don't have to try to stand in an uncomfortable erect position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: It sounds like you can stand however you like with hands however you like as long as you’re not touching guns or ammo and complying with any specific stage instructions. I like it. Wish that was SASS default. Used to be like that unless it was stated where your hands should be such as on your hat, flat on a table or other such stage instructions. Then, someone had to start up a sass default position. Never have understood why that was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Wow, I thought everyone stood erect, hands not touching guns when being attacked by outlaws, Indians or ne'er do wells. Not going to Winter Range but I like the initiative. Maybe one day......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Well try and game this starting position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Is the leather wrap on your lever part of the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Hells Comin said: Is the leather wrap on your lever part of the gun? It is on mine just like the stock and forearm are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hells Comin said: Is the leather wrap on your lever part of the gun? Don’t over think this. Leather wrapped on the lever becomes part of the firearm, in my opinion. J M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 hours ago, doc roy l. pain said: In the midwest we used to have a starting position written as SAGAP. It meant “start as gamey as possible”. Any body position was ok as long as hands never started touching firearm or ammunition. SAGAP.....hmmm. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 As you age, crouched over is your natural standing position. Just saying. At many a stage I've written I say, Shooter starts standing "anyway they want" not touching a firearm of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: +1 Joe....now us "over the hilll"...make that way over-the-hill pards don't have to try to stand in an uncomfortable erect position. You got that right Billy Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Some folks will find a way to save a second that's for sure. JRJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. M. BROWN, SASS # 27309 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 17 hours ago, doc roy l. pain said: Used to be like that unless it was stated where your hands should be such as on your hat, flat on a table or other such stage instructions. Then, someone had to start up a sass default position. Never have understood why that was needed. SASS Conventions were originated to simplify the writing of stages. Instead of writing a page full of directions for everything the writer wanted, he/she had Conventions that covered most of the questions. Stage writers can and always have been able to override a convention by writing it in to the stage description. The SASS Default is just one of those things that if the writer was too lazy or forgot to write out a starting position, there was something available to direct the shooters on how to start. It also helps to make sure all posses do it the same. Problem comes when shooters want to question the convention as to what it really means and what can they do to maybe get an advantage over everyone else. Sort of like Cowboy Port Arms. So if you as a stage writer or MD don't like a convention, do as WR is doing, write your own. It is ok but some of us still use the convention and enforce how it is done. JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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