Snakebite Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just a query about a fictitious situation. 1. Shooter moves to ULT, clears both Long Guns, clears first pistol, proceeds to holster but misses and it falls to the ground. Shooter continues and clears second Pistol then holsters it. Picks up dropped pistol and holsters it. What's the call? 2. Shooter moves to ULT, clears both Long Guns, Clears First pistol and holsters it. Clears second Pistol and proceeds to holster but misses and it falls to the ground. Shooter picks it up and Holsters it. What's the call? In both situations, the ULT Officer acknowledged that each gun had been cleared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I think one is a SDQ, 2 is a no call. Plus he should not have picked up first pistol, that's the ULT officers job while he has not been released from the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1) SDQ 2) NC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said: I think one is a SDQ, 2 is a no call. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Buckskin Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Help learn me. The first scenario earned the sdq because until he finished clearing the last gun he has not finished the stage where as in scenario 2 all guns have been cleared so he had finished the stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Ramrod Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 From SHB PG 23. SDQ..."Any dropped unloaded firearm on the firing line." PG45. Definitions "Firing line – from first firearm placed on the loading table until all firearms are confirmed as cleared at the unloading table." Example 1 = SDQ Example 2 = No Call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucky Buckskin Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Thank you for the clear explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Aren't you allowed to make up the missed holster by ringing the bell with the shotgun? Dang it, I'm getting my WTC's mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Snakebite said: I don't like enforcing some rules, but you need to make the call if it is required. The first thing that should be done is to try and find a legal way out of the situation for the shooter. If that is not possible, then hammer their @$$ right into the ground! Then call their Moma a name. LOL! I may not like em, but I'm going to enforce them if I have the timer in my hand. Having said that, I totally agree that the TO should try to find a legal way out for the shooter, failing that, they have to take the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Aren't you allowed to make up the missed holster by ringing the bell with the shotgun? Dang it, I'm getting my WTC's mixed up. That rule only pertains to a shoot on the 5th Sunday in February. Next chance is in 2032. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I recall when I started CAS, an individual advised me to first put all four of my guns down onto the ULT, with actions and loading gates fully open, and not try to reholster or remove any gun until all guns have been acknowledged as cleared. I never really understood the detail of why---until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Springfield Slim SASS #24733 said: Where does it say the ULT officer has more authority to pick up my gun than I do? He had already called it clear so he has no more responsibility for it. Right in the shooters handbook. It doesn't matter whether I or you or anyone else agrees with the rules, they are there to be enforced. SHB, page 18 o A shooter should not be allowed to pick up a dropped firearm. The CRO/TO should recover the firearm, examine it, clear it (if necessary), return it to the shooter, and assess the appropriate penalty. 2 hours ago, El Hombre Sin Nombre said: Yes. If I drop one of my cleared colts, I am picking it up. I don't want folks handling my guns as it is, especially if they aren't as familiar with them as I am (Ruger shooters). I drop it, I pick it up, then I go sit in my Jeep and cry over the new scratch on the otherwise perfect finish. You might as well start the engine and go home. If you don't want anyone handling your firearms don't bring them to a match. As stated, the rules say any dropped gun will picked up and cleared by the match official. Don't like it? Leave your "precious" at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The rule USED TO state "A shooter is forbidden from picking up a dropped firearm" (SHB 2017)...that was changed to "should not"(SHB 2019) to avoid penalizing a shooter who reflexively picked up his/her own dropped firearm. ...that, and there was no penalty assigned for doing so under the previous version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Any further references to those who actually ENFORCE the rules as "rules NAZIS" will be DELETED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 PW and the call is? SDQ and no call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: PW and the call is? SDQ and no call? YES...see Ramrod's post quoting the applicable rule & definition: Quote From SHB PG 23. SDQ..."Any dropped unloaded firearm on the firing line." PG45. Definitions "Firing line – from first firearm placed on the loading table until all firearms are confirmed as cleared at the unloading table." Example 1 = SDQ Example 2 = No Call (emphasis added) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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