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I load my shotgun shells most of the time. For the first time since the new law went into effect here in California, for buying ammo, I went into buy some shotgun shells today. They ask for my Drivers License and fed the information into the computer. after a while, it spit out a printed sheet from the Dept of Justice that said that I was denied, and not able to purchase ammo. Quite a shock for me. I'm a licensed DOJ instructor. Spent hours this morning trying to make contact with ANYONE at the California DOJ. No luck. It's impossible to talk to anyone... just piles of selected messages. Most of them say that they are swamped due to the fact that so many people are buying guns in California. After a few hours of reading, I decided that I was turned down because my new Drivers License showed my new address, and all of my DOJ records showed my old address. I sent in a address change.... maybe in 6 weeks I can buy that box of shotgun shells. 

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i would move , that is unacceptable - and unconstitutional , i see your into motorcycles and guitars - wonder when they will apply these restrictions to those ? laugh if you want i quit a long time ago when it comes to that (your)state 

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As a life long California citizen, I know exactly what your talking about. I've heard lots of stories like yours. Everything has to be in order for the Ca DOJ. Heck if you have a firearm that's not registered in your name for example you inherited your grandfathers 1911 in .38 Super, you 'can not' purchase ammo for that specific caliber. Sickening I know! I seen this coming and right now the best thing to do is reload everything and have a large supply of .22lr ammo. That's what I did so I'm good until retirement.  

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Yeah... it's a bummer. I've never had any problem buying any gun I wanted and certainly not any ammo. I try to follow the rules, so this event really surprised me. It appears that it was just a change of address that needed to be done. Doing that change on one gun registration hopefully fixed the problem.  We just moved out of the mountains a year ago and the new address didn't line up with anything that they had on file. When we moved, we considered moving to another state but just could not find anyplace that suited us. I hate the dessert, don't want the snow, can't tolerate high altitude and don't like high humidity. I like the North coast of California, and many parts of Oregon, but I don't fit in well with the ex hippies or the hippie wanta-bees. Not much on Chest Beating Vibrato so that rules out some areas, and having a well established  team of doctors is a good thing to stick with if possible. Bottom line is that it is hard to leave your home and start over when you are in your 70s, and your family is local. So...I guess that I will just have to stick it out.  

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I have reloaded all my ammo for over 15 years, so I haven't run into this. But maybe I should try just to see what happens. Funny thing is, we don't legally have to register all of our firearms so where so they get off saying which ammo we can and can't buy? Pre-1993 we actually could buy person to person and not go through an FFL, so they don't know all we have. Really, it wasn't all that long ago we still had some rights in California.

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7 hours ago, Southpaw Gringo, SASS # 74217 said:

As a life long California citizen, I know exactly what your talking about. I've heard lots of stories like yours. Everything has to be in order for the Ca DOJ. Heck if you have a firearm that's not registered in your name for example you inherited your grandfathers 1911 in .38 Super, you 'can not' purchase ammo for that specific caliber. Sickening I know! I seen this coming and right now the best thing to do is reload everything and have a large supply of .22lr ammo. That's what I did so I'm good until retirement.  

You've been hanging out at turners haven't you?? 

That is patently false. you do not need to have a firearm of record in the system to buy ammuntion.
and I quote
If I don’t have a firearm recorded in my name, can I still purchase ammunition?

Yes. Certificate of Eligibility validations and Basic Ammunition Eligibility Checks (single transaction or purchase) may be completed without having a firearm recorded in the Automated Firearm System. (Pen. Code, § 30370, Cal. Code of Reg., tit. 11 §§ 4303, 4305.)

If you have been rejected but have had no previous issues buying a firearm, it's most likely someone fat fingered your application and you have mismatched information on your documents and application. or the system just fouled up. 

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4 hours ago, Springfield Slim SASS #24733 said:

I have reloaded all my ammo for over 15 years, so I haven't run into this. But maybe I should try just to see what happens. Funny thing is, we don't legally have to register all of our firearms so where so they get off saying which ammo we can and can't buy? Pre-1993 we actually could buy person to person and not go through an FFL, so they don't know all we have. Really, it wasn't all that long ago we still had some rights in California.

They can't and it's specifically cited in code. The gentleman's statement is incorrect. 

And this is what happens with California gun laws far to much confusion and conjecture 

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"Shall Not Be Infringed"

...I'm Kahlifornya and I approve this message

 

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9 hours ago, watab kid said:

i would move , that is unacceptable - and unconstitutional , i see your into motorcycles and guitars - wonder when they will apply these restrictions to those ? laugh if you want i quit a long time ago when it comes to that (your)state 

But I think you can buy a Ruger Wrangler in California, but not here in the free state of mn.

Other than that and the weather I'm not sure there's anything else there is want.

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1 hour ago, Springfield Slim SASS #24733 said:

I have reloaded all my ammo for over 15 years, so I haven't run into this. But maybe I should try just to see what happens. Funny thing is, we don't legally have to register all of our firearms so where so they get off saying which ammo we can and can't buy? Pre-1993 we actually could buy person to person and not go through an FFL, so they don't know all we have. Really, it wasn't all that long ago we still had some rights in California.

Last week, an FFL and reputable dealer here in Fresno CA told me he is hearing that in about three to  four years CA will also be similarly restricting reloading supplies, primers, cases, bullets, powder and shot. 

I am not wanting to spread rumors, but be advised, be prepared, and plan wisely.  

 

A big problem is that conservatives have left CA in flocks, leaving the Dems a super-majority of seriously  Marxism-leaning liberals.  They plan to control and change every aspect of your and my life.  I don't see it changing in my remaining lifetime (I'm 70).  Sad requiem for a once great and still beautiful state. 

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11 hours ago, watab kid said:

i would move , that is unacceptable - and unconstitutional , i see your into motorcycles and guitars - wonder when they will apply these restrictions to those ? laugh if you want i quit a long time ago when it comes to that (your)state 

Moving isn't always that easy, and often times not even an option.

 

14 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

Last week, an FFL and reputable dealer here in Fresno CA told me he is hearing that in about three to  four years CA will also be similarly restricting reloading supplies, primers, cases, bullets, powder and shot. 

I am not wanting to spread rumors, but be advised, be prepared, and plan wisely.  

 

A big problem is that conservatives have left CA in flocks, leaving the Dems a super-majority of seriously  Marxism-leaning liberals.  They plan to control and change every aspect of your and my life.  I don't see it changing in my remaining lifetime (I'm 70).  Sad requiem for a once great and still beautiful state. 

And moving also doesn't help those that can't, as DDD states here.

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2 hours ago, Matthew McCrae said:

They can and it's specifically cited in code. The gentleman's statement is incorrect. 

And this is what happens with California gun laws far to much confusion and conjecture 

Far too many laws.  When a pard can't buy a box of shotgun shells because he didn't update his address you have a problem. 

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Many years ago when I left CA in the rear view mirror, I told a friend that sooner or later the Lib-tards would be legislating ammo sales, thereby ensuring his guns became useless.  Took longer than I expected, but... 

 

BTW, CA in the the rear view mirror is a much better sight than Lubbock!

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Military saw that I lived there for 4 years. LOVE the state and (most) the people; it's beautiful.

But those in charge are ruining a lovely state. And unfortunately it's happening in many other states as well. Grew up in Illinois and won't go back there either. VOTE and stand for what's right (way to go VA residents).

Moving away or only reloading is only delaying the inevitable; vote them out! Do NOT tolerate the socialist, liberal left.

Many have ammo stores that will meet their needs until they are long gone; what of those that come after us?

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There is much cross-border shopping to thwart such controls.  When I lived in New York, smokers came home from North Carolina with trunks full of cigarettes.  When I lived in Oregon, web-footers bought their hard liquor in Hilt, CA just south of the state line.  I've read that Costco warehouses in northern border states are popular with Canadians.  I see that Cabelas has an outlet near I-80 in Nevada just east of the state line.  I suspect that outlet sells more ammo that most Cabelas. 

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1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

Far too many laws.  When a pard can't buy a box of shotgun shells because he didn't update his address you have a problem. 

I fat fingered that one should have read they can not

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2 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

Last week, an FFL and reputable dealer here in Fresno CA told me he is hearing that in about three to  four years CA will also be similarly restricting reloading supplies, primers, cases, bullets, powder and shot. 

I am not wanting to spread rumors, but be advised, be prepared, and plan wisely.  

 

A big problem is that conservatives have left CA in flocks, leaving the Dems a super-majority of seriously  Marxism-leaning liberals.  They plan to control and change every aspect of your and my life.  I don't see it changing in my remaining lifetime (I'm 70).  Sad requiem for a once great and still beautiful state. 

I'm not even sure California want to try and bight that one off. I'd drown them in paper work

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Time for an alias change from Snakebite to Snakebit.

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4 hours ago, Matthew McCrae said:

They can't and it's specifically cited in code. The gentleman's statement is incorrect. 

And this is what happens with California gun laws far to much confusion and conjecture 

This is purposely done.

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Please don't Kalifornicate my Idaho.

 

We have Kalifornians moving here that want to bring some of their BS with them. A Kalifornian moved near me and immediately tried to shut down my gun range. They are also all over Sandpoint, Coeur d'Alene and, especially, Boise. Fortunately, our legislature passed a myriad of gun, shooting, range, etc. protection laws in anticipation of the Kalifornians moving out of Kalifornia but still wanting to f--- up Idaho.

 

Colour me bitter!!! I saw that happen to New Hampshire and Vermont. Montana even has Tester, a real beauty.

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We here in Colorado are perfectly happy to allow the West Coast population to stay on the West Coast. You wouldn't want to come here anyway because it is bitter cold and snows all of the time, 4 feet of snow on the roads right now. Also, we are only allowed to buy one round of ammunition at a time and all gun ranges must be closed on weekends. So if you think moving to Colorado is the answer, you are wrong. Try the East Coast.

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PLZ, don't 'paint' all Californians, with the same 'brush'. <_<

X2 on see'n PRK in the rear view mirror:excl:

We love it here in Springfield MO(AKA, America:FlagAm:)

OLG 

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1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

PLZ, don't 'paint' all Californians, with the same 'brush'. <_<

X2 on see'n PRK in the rear view mirror:excl:

We love it here in Springfield MO(AKA, America:FlagAm:)

OLG 

You moved? Ah that explains a lot. I read somewhere that people have started moving here in droves with no explanation why. Turns out they all heard lumpy had moved away. 

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See if ex CA senator and anti gun advocate Leland Yee will sell you any.  He might need the cash to pay for his attorneys fees after being charged with...  arms trafficking :blink:

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1 hour ago, El Hombre Sin Nombre said:

You moved? Ah that explains a lot. I read somewhere that people have started moving here in droves with no explanation why. Turns out they all heard lumpy had moved away. 

 

As soon as you leave PRK, property values will skyrocket even higher. :lol::P

To say nut'n of the cleaner air. :D

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It saddens me to predict this, but I suspect California will have to look like Venezuela before much can be done to change its course.

 

While I admire the courage of Don Quixotes, life is short.  I hope those who find pleasure in exercising all their Constitutional rights find homes where they are not persecuted.

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21 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

As soon as you leave PRK, property values will skyrocket even higher. :lol::P

To say nut'n of the cleaner air. :D

OLG 

And there's the catch-22. I would need property values to skyrocket first so I could sell my house, but that would only happen if I moved. Guess they are going to bury me instead. Oh and the clean air isn't my fault. There are some really tasty bean dishes out here.

14 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

It saddens me to predict this, but I suspect California will have to look like Venezuela before much can be done to change its course.

 

While I admire the courage of Don Quixotes, life is short.  I hope those who find pleasure in exercising all their Constitutional rights find homes where they are not persecuted.

It could be worse. I hear you can't even buy a Colt in Massachusetts. If I couldn't buy Colts I wouldn't want to shoot at all.

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2 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

It saddens me to predict this, but I suspect California will have to look like Venezuela before much can be done to change its course.

 

LA and SFO already do. :angry:

Nut'n will be done..... :(

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:ph34r:  Snakebite.......  If you need extra SG shells for the RR Bar regional, let me know and I'll bring extra.  And let me know your preferred flavor......

 

Regards, BB

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10 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:

Military saw that I lived there for 4 years. LOVE the state and (most) the people; it's beautiful.

But those in charge are ruining a lovely state. And unfortunately it's happening in many other states as well. Grew up in Illinois and won't go back there either. VOTE and stand for what's right (way to go VA residents).

Moving away or only reloading is only delaying the inevitable; vote them out! Do NOT tolerate the socialist, liberal left.

Many have ammo stores that will meet their needs until they are long gone; what of those that come after us?

Very well stated.  Some things are worth standing and fighting.   If we let these Marxist liberals run over us and our Bill of Rights, life won't be worth living for those coming along behind us.  I certainly don't need the likes of Nancy Pelosi or Adam Schiff deciding what I NEED or don't need.  "Freedom to pursue happiness", as used in the Declaration of Independence, means freedom to enjoy things that we WANT as well as what these control freaks think we need. 

We have to get out and vote, or everything dear to us will be gone.  

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2 hours ago, Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 said:

:ph34r:  Snakebite.......  If you need extra SG shells for the RR Bar regional, let me know and I'll bring extra.  And let me know your preferred flavor......

 

Regards, BB

 

Get him the pink ones from Federal :lol:

OLG 

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15 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

A big problem is that conservatives have left CA in flocks, leaving the Dems a super-majority of seriously  Marxism-leaning liberals.  They plan to control and change every aspect of your and my life.  I don't see it changing in my remaining lifetime (I'm 70).  Sad requiem for a once great and still beautiful state. 

 

Conservatives leaving didn't cause the "super-majority."  They already had a huge majority, created largely by hordes of immigrants from other states - and countries.  I've mentioned before reading an article back in the year 2000 which stated that as of that time only one of every eleven adults in California was a native. 

 

Anyway, at this point, registered D's outnumber registered R's by over two to one.  And, thanks to Schwarzenegger's "Jungle Primary" system, it's nearly impossible for an R to even make the ballot in any but local elections.  Sounds like the ultimate "disenfranchisement," a word the other side loves to drag out whenever someone brings up the subject of repairing our flawed voting system and possibly corrupted voter rolls.

 

IF I ever decide to escape, it certainly won't be to "Kalifornicate" another state.  it'll be because I appreciate and want to live with the values of that state.  -_- 

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I feel for the honest, law abiding, Americans living in Kalifornia.  The rest of us should see what is happening there and realize that it could happen anywhere.  Other states like MA, NJ and even Washington DC, are starting to follow CA's lead.  The left shows stats that gun control leads to fewer deaths and people want to believe it.  Shouldn't the question be how many legal gun owners are killing people and committing crimes?  A law, any law will not stop killing or crimes, a killer will either get a gun illegally or use another weapon of convenience.  If you care about infringement of your Constitutional rights then let the politicians hear your voice, speak with your vote and show support.     

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