Wyoma Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Any formula for shaving down the front sight on the Ruger Vaquero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wyoma said: Any formula for shaving down the front sight on the Ruger Vaquero? Before you take metal off you might try a slightly hotter load. They says it's much easier to take it off than to put it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Formula? I don’t know, but you can read up on sight adjustment in the Brownells catalog. At least the older catalogs, anyway. You may wish to check it out and see if there’s anything in there that helps. There’s a lot of information in those catalogs. Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Don’t do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Adjust your point of aim. Learn where it shoots. Play with powder amounts, bullet weights, crimp setting and OAL settings. If you just have to file, just one stroke at a time and then shoot at least 10 rounds. Metal comes off real easy, it doesn't go back on so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 If it shoots to point of aim with standard weight bullets I would not lower the front sight to accommodate an excessively light load, but that's just me. Had a pair of Cimarrons (Piettas) that shot standard weight (158gr) 38sp and 357mag ammo about 14" low at 25 yards. Windage was perfect and both guns grouped well, just very low. This was before I shot SASS, so I actually cared about my sights being regulated. I took a box of my preferred loads, some sandbags, and a file to the range one day and filed the front sights down until point of aim matched point of impact. Go slow and protect the rest of the guns finish with blue painters tape, but you should be fine. Not aware of a formula, and it will vary depending on caliber, ammo and barrel length, but on my Piettas I probably removed 1/8" of metal if that's of any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Example - Sight radius = 5" Target = 30' away (360") POI is 3" low 3"/360" = ?/5" ? = ~ 41 thousandths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyoma Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just got it and with the blade at 6 on the bull it's shoots a really tight group at dead 6 o'clock but about 1 inch low at 30 feet. Shooting Fiocchi .357/142g. I had read that some folks file down the sight. But, like you guys said - you can't put it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Sounds like the sights are regulated to hit right where you are aiming at. If a 6 O'clock hold is your preferred style of aiming/shooting you can file the sight or opt to try a little heavier bullet weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Johnson, you forgot to factor in the earths rotation. I mean come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Are those the bullets you'll be shooting in matches or will you be switching to .38 special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Wilson Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: Johnson, you forgot to factor in the earths rotation. I mean come on! And don't forget the altitude you are shooting at, the barometric pressure, the temperature, time of day and how you hold your tongue. . Seriously though, experiment with what Cyprus Sun says before you do any filing on the sights, I made adjustments with my cartridges, found what worked well with my Vaqueros and left my sights alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Wyoma said: Just got it and with the blade at 6 on the bull it's shoots a really tight group at dead 6 o'clock but about 1 inch low at 30 feet. Shooting Fiocchi .357/142g. I had read that some folks file down the sight. But, like you guys said - you can't put it back. Sounds 'hot' for SASS. SASS has a max velocity of 1K, FPS and lead bullets only. Respectfully, OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 OP, Afrer checking the Fiocchi site. I am now certain your load is not SASS legal, as it states the bullet is a full metal jacket(FMJ). Jacketed ammo is not allowed in SASS. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Sights?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyoma Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Those are just what I had when the pistol arrived. I also shot some 38 sp just to see the difference in recoil. I will probably not actually be a shooter. I just like the whole concept. Might go see some matches though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wyoma said: Those are just what I had when the pistol arrived. I also shot some 38 sp just to see the difference in recoil. I will probably not actually be a shooter. I just like the whole concept. Might go see some matches though. Oh, a tire kicker.....just kiddin'. Get out to a few matches. See what they have to offer. It'll be a helleva lot more than punching hole in paper. Look for Clubs in your area, then go out and introduce yourself. Do that and you'll be shooting a whole lot more than your Vaquero. You'll also meet the finest folks that you'll ever meet....outside of family of course. Edit. List your approximate location. You'll have plenty of invites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Wyoma said: Those are just what I had when the pistol arrived. I also shot some 38 sp just to see the difference in recoil. I will probably not actually be a shooter. I just like the whole concept. Might go see some matches though. Go shoot a match! Where did the 38's shoot to? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Wyoma said: Just got it and with the blade at 6 on the bull it's shoots a really tight group at dead 6 o'clock but about 1 inch low at 30 feet. Shooting Fiocchi .357/142g. I had read that some folks file down the sight. But, like you guys said - you can't put it back. I would call that good enough. Three Foot Johnson's formula is right except for 5 in. Measure distance between you sights. Mine are more than 5 in. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Wyoma said: Just got it and with the blade at 6 on the bull it's shoots a really tight group at dead 6 o'clock but about 1 inch low at 30 feet. Shooting Fiocchi .357/142g. I had read that some folks file down the sight. But, like you guys said - you can't put it back. And, I have found in the "heat of the action" one will tend to shoot a little high so I do not mind a hit on target of 1 or 2 inches low from slow, controlled firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: And, I have found in the "heat of the action" one will tend to shoot a little high so I do not mind a hit on target of 1 or 2 inches low from slow, controlled firing. Agreed. Competitors should shoot groups at match speed before considering changing sights. They will not only see point of impact rise, but may see it move to the side as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Good comments above. My understanding is that many factory pistols are shipped out with the point of impact set low, (point of aim high) to enable final correction for the shooter's eyes, etc. to be made by lowering the front site, rather than having to deal with the much more difficult job of raising the rear sight. I've never been hesitant to file a front sight for correction, by trial and error. One word of caution, however. Some new manufacture New Vaquero front sights are not soldered in very securely. Two of mine have fallen off completely when shooting. If you file them, draw file lengthwise, rather than side to side. And another caution - - this one about safety-- because trial-error sight adjustment involves repetitive loading and unloading of the gun, it's easy to inadvertently skip a step. Make absolutely sure you have an unloaded gun EACH TIME, before working around the muzzle end. Draw filing from the front will point the firearm roughly at your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I admit I did not read all the posts. ------------ First thing I read says this gun is new to you. If this is true, you need to shoot a couple of hundred rounds of the ammo you think you want to use to break in the barrel. Making sure it is SASS legal. All lead, The lead 38/357 bullets used by loaders and reloaders is usually .358" in daimeter. This is larger than the jackets bullets which are usually .357" diameter. This alone will cause a little more barrel rise when shooting. Also, a heavier bullet will cause rise. You might try 125 gr bullets at about 700'/sec to sight your gun in. Faster bullets hit lower than slower bullets. Heavier bullets hit higher than lighter bullets provide the velocity is the same. Do not rush to make modifications to your gun until you break it in and you learn the feel of the gun. The way you grip the gun will also change where the bullet hit even if you see the same sight picture when shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 6 hours ago, Three Foot Johnson said: Example - Sight radius = 5" Target = 30' away (360") POI is 3" low 3"/360" = ?/5" ? = ~ 41 thousandths Good job, TFJ. Similar triangles. The above formula is a simple proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Wyoma said: Those are just what I had when the pistol arrived. I also shot some 38 sp just to see the difference in recoil. I will probably not actually be a shooter. I just like the whole concept. Might go see some matches though. “I will probably not actually be a shooter.” Yeah, that’s what a lot of people say. Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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