Wako kid Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Hello, I just bought A. Uberti 1885 hiwall in 45/70. I love the gun but I have a issue. I loaded some 405gr lead with 12 gr of trail boss and the gun shoots extremely high. 3 inches at 25 yards 7 inches at 50 and I have no idea at 100 but couldn’t hit a 12 inch plate. Never tried 200 or farther. So is there a better load to get this gun to shoot closer to point of aim? The rear sight is as low as it goes. Is there a taller front sight? I bought this gun to play with at sass side matchs but would like to play with it out to some long ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 What type of front sight does it have? Can you post a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Get that load up to 14.5-15.0 gn of Unique. Firm crimp. Now give it a go...... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 You can trust OLG, he is the man for long range info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Gardner Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 26 gr. of 5744 an my be a bit more. You have to end up with a load the gun likes, 26 grs. will shoot over 1000 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint N. Steele Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 My (Taylor's) High Wall is a .38-55, but I put a Marble's Tang sight and Lyman target globe on it before I ever shot it. Much longer sight radius, and I allus liked the peep sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The initial velocity of the trail boss 405 bullet is 1000 fps . At 100yds, the drop is 11.99" - Use Grits load - to increase the fps ... and leave the sights alone - it's a reload issue (yd) (in) (MOA) (MIL) (in) (MOA) (MIL) (s) (ft.lbf) (ft/s) 0 -0.50 0.00 0.00 0.09 0.00 0.00 0.00 899 1000 25 0.00 -0.02 0.00 0.16 0.60 0.17 0.08 881 990 50 -1.72 3.27 0.95 0.36 0.68 0.20 0.15 864 980 75 -5.70 7.25 2.11 0.69 0.87 0.25 0.23 848 971 100 -11.99 11.43 3.33 1.15 1.09 0.32 0.31 833 962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Did any besides me read this statement in the original post. the gun shoots extremely high. 3 inches at 25 yards 7 inches at 50 How is increasing the velocity of the round going to solve the above problem???????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Sledge Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Howdy, 27.5 gr of 5744 and any 405 bullet works great in mine. JB Sledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 the gun shoots extremely high. 3 inches at 25 yards 7 inches at 50 OK - shoot a 5 shot group at 100yrds with the same reload and we can talk better what the issue is until then, we are shooting craps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Sledge Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 SD, Increasing the speed of the bullet makes it shoot flatter, so that will bring the bullet POI down. My 45-70 moose load of 45 grs of RL 7 and 400gr Hawk bullet hits the 25yd target dead on when my cowboy load of 27.5 gr of 5744 hits 21/2" high at 25 yds. Just sayn Sledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 The velocity of a 405gr bullet with 12gr of Trail Boss = 971 fps. Look at the trajectory table at 25 & 50 yds ... big difference than the OP's 3 and 7 inches: Range Elevation Elevation Elevation Windage Windage Windage Time Energy Vel[x+y] (yd) (in) (MOA) (MIL) (in) (MOA) (MIL) (s) (ft.lbf) (ft/s) - Sound Barrier (1116 fps) - 0 -1.50 0.00 0.00 0.09 0.00 0.00 0.00 848 971 5 -1.00 18.49 5.38 0.09 1.73 0.50 0.02 845 969 10 -0.61 5.74 1.67 0.10 0.96 0.28 0.03 841 967 15 -0.31 1.98 0.58 0.12 0.73 0.21 0.05 838 965 20 -0.11 0.53 0.15 0.14 0.64 0.19 0.06 835 963 25 0.00 0.01 0.00 0.16 0.61 0.18 0.08 831 961 30 0.01 -0.04 -0.01 0.19 0.60 0.17 0.09 828 960 35 -0.07 0.18 0.05 0.23 0.61 0.18 0.11 825 958 40 -0.24 0.57 0.17 0.27 0.63 0.18 0.13 822 956 45 -0.51 1.07 0.31 0.31 0.66 0.19 0.14 819 954 50 -0.87 1.66 0.48 0.36 0.69 0.20 0.16 816 952 55 -1.33 2.31 0.67 0.42 0.73 0.21 0.17 812 950 60 -1.89 3.00 0.87 0.48 0.76 0.22 0.19 809 949 65 -2.54 3.73 1.08 0.55 0.80 0.23 0.20 806 947 70 -3.29 4.48 1.30 0.62 0.84 0.25 0.22 803 945 75 -4.14 5.26 1.53 0.70 0.89 0.26 0.24 800 943 80 -5.08 6.06 1.76 0.78 0.93 0.27 0.25 798 942 85 -6.13 6.87 2.00 0.87 0.97 0.28 0.27 795 940 90 -7.27 7.70 2.24 0.96 1.02 0.30 0.28 792 938 95 -8.51 8.54 2.48 1.06 1.06 0.31 0.30 789 937 100 -9.85 9.39 2.73 1.16 1.11 0.32 0.32 786 935 Keep in mind this is an approximation and although it is quite accurate it should Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 If the sites are modeled around the originals then they are set for around 200 yards. SO yeah it will shoot high. ITs not the powder. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 If the sites are modeled around the originals then they are set for around 200 yards. SO yeah it will shoot high. ITs not the powder. Ike It's the lack of enough powder, that's the issue here. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Lack of powder usually means it shoots low! The chart above, charts are charts, shows it should be on or low at 50 yards! Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Most long time BPCR competitors use blow tubes to moisten our barrels. BPCR is an individual sport. For example, I load all of my cartridge cases to the top and compress the poweder about 1/16"..However, I load light 500 grain bullets for the chickens and, for the pigs, turkeys and buffaloes, I use the same 650 grain Postell. I swear by MVA sights and their extra long shaft. World Class competitor, Dave Gullo of Buffalo Arms,, uses and carries Kelley Sights. I am an "also ran" class shooter. I do a lot of practice so my shooting note book delineates the proper sight settings for each range.as well as for "fun" shoots like in CAS. I note temperature, humidity, sun, etc. You are different, I am different, we are all different so lots of practice at known ranges helps a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Did any besides me read this statement in the original post. the gun shoots extremely high. 3 inches at 25 yards 7 inches at 50 How is increasing the velocity of the round going to solve the above problem???????????????? Higher velocity means less time in the barrelfor the bullet. Less time in the barrel means the bullet is affected less by recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I believe we are 'preaching to the choir' and the choir doesn't care listening to the music, one week later... Wako Kid - Original Poster Joined Sunday at 06:55 PM Last visited Sunday at 06:56 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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