Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 How do I verify the hammer is on empty chamber at loading table? There is no gap to see... Being how we don't have an official LT officer we rely on shooter behind to look . I guess technically we do have a LT officer it just changes alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 With a gold or silver Sharpie draw a line on each side of the chamber on the outside if the cylinder. Don't load that chamber, you should be able to see those lines on each side of the top strap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Aah ...I don't think I'm drawing on my gun. I'm talking to territorial governor about it. I'm thinking if someone watched and verified I only loaded 5. Then tilt gun back and away and count the 5 bullets visible... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 It's unloaded now but if it were loaded the red poly bullets are obvious. But that person would have to watch me load only 5...I don't see a rule in SASS too explain this . Anyone who knows more or has used these conversions please let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The Sharpie wipes off. I've done that with Remmie Conversions and Ruger Single Six's. Tilting is a no go, too much risk of breaking the 170. I've seen folks put the cylinder in a lathe and take that lip off too, but I'm guessing you don't want to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Stick a wooden dowel down the bore, show them how far in it goes. Or, have them verify empty at the loading gate chamber, then slowly click 4 times, then full cock and hammer down. If they don't understand that, get another person to man that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Ok so a mark under empty cylinder. When it's at top u know. But someone would have to watch my whole process to verify...hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Fun gun but a poor design for our game. Be ashamed to have a consequence due to a gun that does not fit standard safety protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Abilene thank you! The wooden dowel is a great idea and easy way no marks or grinding ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 According to sass I just have to prove its on empty chamber. Doesn't say how right. The visible gap between cylinder and plate isn't required right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 People with the EAA Bounty Hunter revolvers and .22 revolvers have the same problems (and some conversion cylinders), and those folks have mentioned using the dowel numerous times over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Flats Jack Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I have the cimarron new model army aka factory conversion. I lay out 5 rounds make sure the LTO sees there's only 5. load as normal, rotate the pistol upside down keeping it parallel to the table and you can look straight down and count the 5 loaded chambers. I've never been given any grief over that. but the dow rod with 2 marks works well from what I hear. I just have a difficult time sticking any part of my body in front of a loaded gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black RZR Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Thanks everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Half Cock Load One Skip One Load Four Cock The chamber you now lower on will be be empty. This looks like it came from the factory as a cartridge gun and is not a conversion. Does it have a hammer mounted firing pin? When the gun is fully cocked, look through the hole in the frame, you should see daylight, not a primer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just curious... can you see cartridge rims if you opened the loading gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 ...This looks like it came from the factory as a cartridge gun and is not a conversion. Does it have a hammer mounted firing pin? When the gun is fully cocked, look through the hole in the frame, you should see daylight, not a primer. Firing pin is frame (conversion ring) mounted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Half Cock Load One Skip One Load Four Cock The chamber you now lower on will be be empty That's how you load that the chamber under the hammer is empty, but it's not how you check or proof it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Flats Jack Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just curious... can you see cartridge rims if you opened the loading gate? no just the 2 that are visible from the loading gate position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I have the cimarron new model army aka factory conversion. I lay out 5 rounds make sure the LTO sees there's only 5. load as normal, rotate the pistol upside down keeping it parallel to the table and you can look straight down and count the 5 loaded chambers. I've never been given any grief over that. but the dow rod with 2 marks works well from what I hear. I just have a difficult time sticking any part of my body in front of a loaded gun. I started this game with that same gun. It was a lot of fun, but could never quite get used to the remmington style grips so I eventually let it go on the cheap. Anyway, if I remember correctly, with the gate open and the right lighting, you could just barely see an empty chamber. What folks that checked would do (we've never had a LT officer, but new guys get checked when starting out) was watch me do the John Wayne load and then try to tell. If not, then it's on me to not end up with a click and five bangs during the string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Make yourself a dowel longer than the chamber+barrel length. Load a dummy round with a bullet in it. Index to the top so the round is under the hammer. Push dowel in from muzzle & make sure it seats against the bullet. Paint a RED ring around the dowel just outside the end of the barrel. Index the cylinder to an empty chamber. Push dowel in again. Make sure the red ring is completely inside the barrel. You now have a gauge for your purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 We don't use LTO's. We trust ourselves to know how to load!. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Stick a wooden dowel down the bore, show them how far in it goes. Or, have them verify empty at the loading gate chamber, then slowly click 4 times, then full cock and hammer down. If they don't understand that, get another person to man that position. I have a safety issue of placing my fingers in front of a barrel of a loaded firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mongo, SASS #61450 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 I just shot my pair today. I've used a rod to show the loading table officer that I had the hammer down on an empty chamber, but like Matthew Duncan, I never felt good about putting my fingers by the bore. We haven't used a loading table officer in a couple of years. Today I simply looked at the front of the cylinder from a side angle and I could easily spot the empty chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Jenny- Lynne Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I had the backs of my cylinders turned down $25.00 each IIRC Dutch Dave Holland sass #13585 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Relying on the shooter behind you to check your “hammer on empty” status is iffy, at best. They’re busy with their own guns, and don’t care to be distracted. Even a designated LT Officer won’t be much help, as there are too damn many discourteous shooters to contend with. Same thing at the unloading table, where arguably, the checking is more critical. But, that is another, different discussion. Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bird Blue, SASS # 57924 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Dental or inspection mirror Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend P. Babcock Chase Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Howdy, What Jenny said. I have a 58 conversion and the prior owner had small slots to show the rims of each chamber. Just the rims. easy to see the brass on 5 and a black slot. Show that it sits to the left of the top strap. Cock the hammer and it rolls under the hammer. Lower the hammer on the empty chamber. Rev. Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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