Team SASS

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

I'd like to really encourage everyone here to occasionally take a moment or two and check out the Team SASS page.

 

Charlie T Waite and his team - but especially Charlie himself - are putting an incredible amount of energy into keeping us informed and up-to-date on the "oppositions" efforts to stifle our Second Amendment rights.  

 

I must say that it's disappointing to say the least to see the number of "Views" the posts are receiving.  When a cartoon thread has over thirty-three thousand views, but a thread about the Supreme Court's potential study of a 2A issue may only have 20 or 30, well... it makes one question our priorities.  And yes, I do visit the cartoon thread, too.  But I start my day by hitting the Team SASS page.

 

Granted, not every topic there applies to everyone.  But many do, and many of them address VERY important issues - most of which you will never see mentioned in the MSM.  And you don't have to reply or post opinions - but it'd sure be encouraging to see the "Viewed" numbers bumped up a mite.  

 

That said, let's all support Charlie and his crew!  

 

 

 

 

 

[Tyrel Cody]

Let me preface this by saying, yes they should be commended for all of the effort that is put into keeping us informed. 

 

Part of the problem is that a lot of us come here to get away from that stuff and simply have no interest in seeing it; yes, we probably should look and we definitely should be contacting our capones and let them know how we feel.

 

Secondly if I have to click a link that causes me to navigate away from this site then:

• I'm not going to click it. In the event that I do I copy the text and paste it in a thread.
• Knowing most of them are like that, then I don't even open it to begin with.

Lastly, I use the "Unread Content" filter most of the time. If don't come to the site before 10am those posts are pushed off the results screen and I don't even know they exist. Maybe I should make an effort to visit Team SASS...

 

[bgavin]

A person would have to be living under a very large rock, if they are not aware of our gun rights being systematically dismantled.
One would also be living under that same rock if they are unaware of the impeachment sham, and blatant corruption going down today.

And there is not one damn thing we can do about it.
In my state of CA, literally 75% of the legislature are Democrats.
This is far higher than the minimum for a super-majority, so they do what they please without challenge.

I vote, and my vote is swept aside or invalidated by a hundred opposing votes from illegals or dead people.

One can read the news, read Team SASS and all the other blogs and raise their blood pressure until the onset of a stroke.
All for nothing.
Angry and $0.35 buys cheap coffee.

What are you really going to do when cop(s) come to your door with a court order to confiscate your guns?

• Shoot the Cop
• Explain the 2nd Amendment
• Refuse Entry on 2nd Amendment grounds
• Stand by helplessly

#1 your rectum will be married to your cell mate for eternity
#2 will get you cuffed and placed in the police cruiser
#3 will get you beaten up, cuffed, and placed in the cruiser
#4 you watch them ransack and confiscate your gun safe

Law enforcement and the courts will systematically destroy you if you refuse to surrender your guns.

Which of your neighbors and friends will bring weapons and stand by you? 
Which of them is willing to be financially destroyed, made destitute and homeless by the courts?

The real choice comes when America is forced to choose between rolling over and accepting Totalitarianism or rising up and accepting civil war.
Sad to say, I think Pat Riot is correct that most Americans will roll over and accept Totalitarianism.

 

 

[Dantankerous]

Hardpan,

 

Thank you for opening this discussion. The Team SASS page contains so much useful pro 2nd amendment information it would take months to digest, but is worth the effort. Anyone who enjoys firearm sports, freedom, law, the founding principles of this country, the notion of self preservation...should be taking notice of the threat against the 2nd Amendment in this country. This threat continues daily against individual liberties and freedoms. This is a topic that should not be ignored.

 

Knowledge... it can be useful.

 

 

[Charlie T Waite]

 

A person would have to be living under a very large rock, if they are not aware of our gun rights being systematically dismantled.
One would also be living under that same rock if they are unaware of the impeachment sham, and blatant corruption going down today.

And there is not one damn thing we can do about it.
In my state of CA, literally 75% of the legislature are Democrats.
This is far higher than the minimum for a super-majority, so they do what they please without challenge.

I vote, and my vote is swept aside or invalidated by a hundred opposing votes from illegals or dead people.

One can read the news, read Team SASS and all the other blogs and raise their blood pressure until the onset of a stroke.
All for nothing.
Angry and $0.35 buys cheap coffee.

What are you really going to do when cop(s) come to your door with a court order to confiscate your guns?

• Shoot the Cop
• Explain the 2nd Amendment
• Refuse Entry on 2nd Amendment grounds
• Stand by helplessly

#1 your rectum will be married to your cell mate for eternity
#2 will get you cuffed and placed in the police cruiser
#3 will get you beaten up, cuffed, and placed in the cruiser
#4 you watch them ransack and confiscate your gun safe

Law enforcement and the courts will systematically destroy you if you refuse to surrender your guns.

Which of your neighbors and friends will bring weapons and stand by you? 
Which of them is willing to be financially destroyed, made destitute and homeless by the courts?

The real choice comes when America is forced to choose between rolling over and accepting Totalitarianism or rising up and accepting civil war.
Sad to say, I think Pat Riot is correct that most Americans will roll over and accept Totalitarianism.

 

 

The rights in the Bill of Rights are not absolute. You have free speech, but you can be sued for slander or libel. You have freedom of religion, but the law prohibits polygamy. The same limitation is true for the Second Amendment.

For the first couple of centuries of the Republic, constitutional law held that the Second Amendment's right to bear arms provided for a militia, and we have one, the National Guard. In 2008, the Supreme Court ruled, 5-4, in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects the right of an individual to own firearms apart from service in the militia. (Please note this if you object to "judge-made law.")

 

But the court also held that the right is not unlimited and the government may regulate firearms. Justice Antonin Scalia's majority opinion explicitly states that the right to individual ownership is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose" and that governmental limitations are "fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.' "

 

For all of the dissembling by gun rights advocates, the amendment’s full wording is pretty clear: “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

 

But the level of apathy is quite disturbing as well as frightening.  Apathy will Kill the 2nd Amendment and End your Right to own a Firearm!  SO what are you doing to help defend the constitution?; what are you doing to help defend your right to own a firearm? (I’ll wait while you think about it.).  Reading the Team SASS Wire is a good start, but I guess I was hoping for something more. I was hoping gun owners would get off their butts and fight to keep their rights.  I, our State Directors and others post on the Team SASS Wire not only to provide information and avenues for action.  A while back I posted How Important Is One (1) Person's Voice ???  which can be found by looking here in previously pinned post: 

 

[Colonel Kraken]

As a newbie I was glad to see the Team Sass section on the forum. I didn't know if SASS members would take the threat that we're under seriously since SASS guns are not the usual targets of the anti-gunners. I appreciate what you are doing and hope to contribute to the effort. We either fight together or go down together.

 

I believe that there are two kinds of Fudds - gun Fudds who believe that since their guns aren't threatened they don't have a dog in the fight and state Fudds who believe that since their state is generous with gun rights than they don't care about all the other people who are living under repressive state regimes. Living in Florida I will admit that I used to be a state Fudd and thought that it was a problem that only affected people in states like California, New Jersey and Massachusetts. A few years ago I had my eyes opened, and I think all of us can admit now that the disease is spreading. We even see it creeping into the southern states. 

 

[Dantankerous]

Justice Scalia Made Clear the Second Amendment and Heller Prohibit “Assault Weapon” Bans

 

 

[Go West]

America is being threatened in many areas, not just the 2nd Amendment. Schools have been transformed to indoctrinate and propagandize students, illegal immigration will likely overwhelm the current majority by 20xx, the global warming hoax is gaining significant attention (see comment on indoctrination and propaganda), foreign student visas are used as a bludgeon against our own citizen students, opposition to the electoral collage is growing, socialism is becoming more acceptable, government bloat/waste has gone far beyond what is reasonable and prudent, etc. 

One simple way to combat many of these threats is to vote for those who will protect our interests, whatever they might be.

I used to be an Independent, but due to the psycho group-think of the Left, I have registered as a Republican. They do not satisfy all of my desires, but I cannot in good conscience vote for anti-liberty, open border socialists who I believe will transform this nation into something undesirable and unrecognizable from what it has been.

We can walk and chew gum. Enjoy SASS, play your game and if you love America, do what you can to save it. 

[J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE]

I read the Team SASS wire regularly-while at work-but the links are generally blocked by the network administrator, so I can't see what the rest of the story is most of the time. Team SASS does deserve more attention, but it has a format that is not as readable as many others.

 

As to the rest,   It is a right not granted to us, but rather a natural or preexisting right,  the 2nd Amendment is merely a prohibition to the government to prevent any attempt to take away those rights. I think the interpretation changes dramatically and our rights become much broader while the governments ability to enact laws restricting those rights becomes more tenuous.

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

If I may, I'd like to humbly offer one suggestion:  simple, readable synopses for us "ham 'n' eggers," whose eyes glaze over when we see a thousand-plus word post.

 

Comprehensive for sure, and the embedded links are extremely valuable for "further research," but they can be off-putting at first glance.

 

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

If I may, I'd like to humbly offer one suggestion:  simple, readable synopses for us "ham 'n' eggers," whose eyes glaze over when we see a thousand-plus word post.

 

Comprehensive for sure, and the embedded links are extremely valuable for "further research," but they can be off-putting at first glance.

 

 

 

We have to take the time to read and reread the sometimes ponderous decisions or bills.   It is not always possible to really condense stuff.   The nuances buried in decisions are worth digging up. 

 

Keep in mind that a 150 page decision is often half footnotes. 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

 

 

We have to take the time to read and reread the sometimes ponderous decisions or bills.   It is not always possible to really condense stuff.   The nuances buried in decisions are worth digging up. 

 

Keep in mind that a 150 page decision is often half footnotes. 

 

Joe, the reality is that most people will not read and re-read the decisions, bills, or analyses.  Few people have the patience or - sadly - the ability to do so.  And on a "battlefield" where numbers count, we're losing a lot of people simply because they cannot keep up.  We live in the age of "instant gratification" and short attention spans.  

 

Face it - more major elections are won by slogans and sound bites than careful scrutiny of platforms.  

[Charlie T Waite]

 

Joe, the reality is that most people will not read and re-read the decisions, bills, or analyses.  Few people have the patience or - sadly - the ability to do so.  And on a "battlefield" where numbers count, we're losing a lot of people simply because they cannot keep up.  We live in the age of "instant gratification" and short attention spans.  

 

Face it - more major elections are won by slogans and sound bites than careful scrutiny of platforms.  

 

The thing is some want links, some want cut and paste so I try to compromise it because I know not everyone will be happy.  I also leave it in a larger print font as apposed to plain text size to make it easier on old eyes just like mine.  FYI, I do read these before I post them to see if there is enough value to our readers and that it stays within the scope of what Team SASS is about. - take the post Guess How Many Guns Philadelphia’s Gun “Turn In” Program Produced for example.  The 1st section gives a good bit of info about the article with a couple of links, also it shows a different approach to their buy back issues and what they are doing now to get our guns.  Also, one should be able to get an idea of whether or not they want to continue read from there.  

[DocWard]

 

For the first couple of centuries of the Republic, constitutional law held that the Second Amendment's right to bear arms provided for a militia, and we have one, the National Guard.

 

 

The National Guard is not the militia, at least not in the sense it is generally understood. Every state that I am aware of has a law that states that all able bodied persons in a certain age group are in the state militia, separate and apart from the National Guard. In fact, the National Defense Act of 1916, which brought the various regular militias of the states under federal control, also created a "militia of the United States,“ consisting of "all able-bodied male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have . . . declared their intention to become citizens of the United States...between the ages of eighteen and forty-five." Further, by definition, the militia is "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency." It is not a professional force. While the National Guard prides itself on being "citizen soldiers," it is a very professional modern force, capable of standing alongside active duty troops when deployed into combat zones, which has been done consistently during the GWOT.

 

Respectfully, SSG Roger Ward, OHARNG, Ret.

[DocWard]

As for Team SASS, yes, I should visit more than I do, but I come here to escape the realities of things that cause me to be angry.

[Charlie T Waite]

Doc Ward;  What I posted is what I have seen in some of the legal briefs - and whether or not we like it or agree with it, that is the definition the government has put on it in most cases.  I agree with your point of view but again that is what we are trying to change.  The problem is we (collectively) have let the government do this - they forget who hired them by vote and why they are there the minute they are elected.  We need to remind them that they work for us and are sent there to represent us not to lead us - they are not our leaders, they are our representatives.  Will Rogers said it best when he said congress like a diaper should be changed often and for the same reason.

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

Further, by definition, the militia is "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency." It is not a professional force.

 

 

Exactly.  In a serious emergency/crisis theoretically fresh-from-the-Academy Lieutenants could be sent out knocking on doors and saying 'Thank you for volunteering!" when a healthy looking male answers the door.

[DocWard]

 

Doc Ward;  What I posted is what I have seen in some of the legal briefs - and whether or not we like it or agree with it, that is the definition the government has put on it in most cases.  I agree with you point of view but again that is what we are trying to change.  The problem is we (collectively) have let the government do this - they forget who hired them by vote and why they are there the minute the are elected.  We need to remind them that they work for us and are sent there to represent us not to lead us - they are not our leaders, they are our representatives.  Will Rogers said it best when he said congress like a diaper should be changed often and for the same reason.

 

Thanks for clarifying. For me, it is clear from a legal standpoint the Guard is not the militia. While you are correct, that view is promoted by the government, particularly the left, they ignore those things I pointed out. Oddly, they tend to get really annoyed when those facts are pointed out to them. I don't know why.

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

 

Joe, the reality is that most people will not read and re-read the decisions, bills, or analyses.  Few people have the patience or - sadly - the ability to do so.  And on a "battlefield" where numbers count, we're losing a lot of people simply because they cannot keep up.  We live in the age of "instant gratification" and short attention spans.  

 

Face it - more major elections are won by slogans and sound bites than careful scrutiny of platforms.  

 

In my not so humble opinion people who will not take the time to read these things deserve to have their rights legislated away.  I still read the texts of the bills in the booklet sent out before elections with the text of the initiatives and other measures.  I infuriate the people who gather signatures to qualify an initiative for the ballot because I insist on reading the text for myself rather than relying on the - usually erroneous - abstract that they give. 
People will spend hours perusing the specs and performance of the latest Super-Splendiferous Ulta Max Mag and comparing it to the stats on the previous iteration known as the Extra-Splendiferous Ulta Max Mag but won't take the half hour to hour  it takes to read  a 50 page decision.  

Unfortunately, you are correct that "more major elections are won by slogans" than looking to the actual platforms.

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

Oddly, they tend to get really annoyed when those facts are pointed out to them. I don't know why.

 

 

Truth hurts.

[Charlie T Waite]

 

Thanks for clarifying. For me, it is clear from a legal standpoint the Guard is not the militia. While you are correct, that view is promoted by the government, particularly the left, they ignore those things I pointed out. Oddly, they tend to get really annoyed when those facts are pointed out to them. I don't know why.

Have you also noticed that only their view matters, and that once you voice your view if it differs your are called vile names, slandered and possible assaulted, your already guilty of something and they will do what ever to find out what it is or make it up? Speaking of, there are several other amendments we are losing.

[DocWard]

 

 

 

Truth hurts.

 

It isn't the "truth" that hurts, it is the fact that they don't have the knowledge, and when confronted, have no answer that they can rationally bring to the table, which brings me to:

 

 

Have you also noticed that only their view matters, and that once you voice your view if it differs your are called vile names, slandered and possible assaulted, your already guilty of something and they will do what ever to find out what it is or make it up? Speaking of, there are several other amendments we are losing.

 

Yep. Been called everything but a free white man by some. There have been several times online when I've referenced Godwin's Law as a result. I've also had people say things such as "clearly nobody is going to change your mind, so I'm not even going to bother," to which I typically reply, "someone able to better utilize reason, logic and knowledge than I could likely cause me to change my mind, clearly that person is not you." That doesn't seem to show up in any Dale Carnegie tips either.

Clearly, the Tenth Amendment, and perhaps the Ninth, is down and out, courtesy of FDR among others.
The leftists, or whatever you wish to call them would eliminate much of the First Amendment, except as it applies to them.

The Fourth Amendment is being pummeled at the federal level on a near daily basis, with abuses of FISA courts and the progeny of the Patriot Act creating new problems for us in the name of security. "No knock" searches have become almost commonplace elsewhere it seems.

Parts of the Fifth Amendment are constantly being flogged.

 

On the bright side, I don't anticipate quartering troops anytime soon.

[Charlie T Waite]

I always just start by asking them about the 3rd, and let's not forget the 14th