Colonel Kraken Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 This is probably a stupid newbie question, but reading the shooter's handbooks for SASS and Wild Bunch why are groups of shooters (edited for clarification: when talking about side matches - not when talking about posses) called "teams" instead of "gangs". Gangs would seem like the more western appropriate term. I was just wondering. Also wanted to let you know that some newbies do read the rules . Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Not a dumb question; but one I’ve never heard before. Probably just because Team is a recognized term in shooting and all other sports. Or maybe because nobody thought of it. And a Gang has kind of a negative connotation to some folks. I don’t really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kraken Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: a negative connotation to some folks I thought about that. I think it was more common back in the day to use the term gang, and it had fewer negative connotations. A work gang was a pretty common term. Now days you do almost always hear "gang" used as a negative. I'd still argue it sounds cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Colonel Kraken said: This is probably a stupid newbie question, but reading the shooter's handbooks for SASS and Wild Bunch why are groups of shooters called "teams" instead of "gangs". Gangs would seem like the more western appropriate term. I was just wondering. Also wanted to let you know that some newbies do read the rules . Cheers Because if you're part of a gang, all your guns must be stolen and you have to shoot your pistols sideways like a "gangsta". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Because if you're part of a gang, all your guns must be stolen and you have to shoot your pistols sideways like a "gangsta". And, you can't hit a damned thang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Well, this oughta let you know I haven't shot a match for a while. Teams??? What happened to posses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 You mean "posses" don't ya? I've never heard gangs or teams, unless you're referring to a "Team shoot" at a side match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Side matches?. Regular shoots are still posses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Ah. Never shot Wild Bunch. But remembering the movie - gang would be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I do not recall "teams" being used. It has always been Posses. Did Bass Pro take over?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kraken Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: a "Team shoot" at a side match. Yes I mean in the side matches. Posses are always posses. I was referring to when the rules are talking about teams for side matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Colonel Kraken said: Yes I mean in the side matches. Posses are always posses. I was referring to when the rules are talking about teams for side matches. Ah, okay. I think “teams” sounds better. You have to remember that SASS started in Southern California so “gangs” has a definite negative connotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence Cutter Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I do not recall "teams" being used. It has always been Posses. Did Bass Pro take over?.... HA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Cowboy gangster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: SASS started in Southern California so “gangs” has a definite negative connotation It's not just "Crips and Bloods" type gangs. Jesse James had a gang. Butch Cavendish had a gang. The Texas Rangers had a posse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Don't we have some gangs in SASS? I know I've heard of the Doily Gang and the DAMMIT gang. I think TN Williams is forming the Nanner Split gang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: ...Gang has kind of a negative connotation to some folks. Yep. As a retired Law Dawg who spent most of his career in the drug-infested, gang-ridden cesspools, I'd think twice about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 5 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Side matches?. Regular shoots are still posses. 3 hours ago, Colonel Kraken said: Yes I mean in the side matches. Posses are always posses. I was referring to when the rules are talking about teams for side matches. We've always called them "Teams" when we had "Team shoots" in side matches. Usually comprised of 3 or 4 shooters, rifle, shotgun, handguns shooting at various targets or breaking a board, or shooting a rubber snake and making it go over the drawn line. etc. YES TEAM SHOOTS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It’s foolish, left wing, politically correct and a host of other adjectives, including cowardly, to NOT USE the term “GANG” where in the historical perspective of our Old West shooting sport, it is appropriate to do so. I reckon talking a good show is good enough? There’s nothing to gain in our sport except to shoot for time, accuracy and procedure. Anyway, we should use the term gang where appropriate to follow our historical roots. I don’t like the PC, Corporate BS term, “team”. It stinks, and smacks of its rancid origins of phony, feel-good, dirty politics. Remember that recent topic regarding the nonsense, Big-Lie PC global warming, carbon transfer BS? Well, embracing “team,” rather than using an appropriate “gang,” where it is due is caving in to that same stinking philosophy, which most of us despise the most!! Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 hours ago, Cat Brules said: It’s foolish, left wing, politically correct and a host of other adjectives, including cowardly, to NOT USE the term “GANG” where in the historical perspective of our Old West shooting sport, it is appropriate to do so. I reckon talking a good show is good enough? There’s nothing to gain in our sport except to shoot for time, accuracy and procedure. Anyway, we should use the term gang where appropriate to follow our historical roots. I don’t like the PC, Corporate BS term, “team”. It stinks, and smacks of its rancid origins of phony, feel-good, dirty politics. Remember that recent topic regarding the nonsense, Big-Lie PC global warming, carbon transfer BS? Well, embracing “team,” rather than using an appropriate “gang,” where it is due is caving in to that same stinking philosophy, which most of us despise the most!! Cat Brules Really? I don't think this has anything to do with "politically correct"! I've been doing this for 20+ years and ever since I remember we had "Team Shoots" at side matches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 It is definitely not PC to have members of your "team" count (cheat) for you. Team shooting is not a positive thing in some contexts. It is a polite way to say cheating. A Team Shoot is a fun and positive thing. I am a member of the Dammit Gang and the Dooley Gang. It would just sound odd to say the Dammit or Dooley Team. Some words just go together. Aside: I've never been a top shooter. At one team shoot, I was teamed with one and his wife, who was another top shooter. She told all of us on the team to just blast away as fast as we could and her husband would clean up our misses. I followed her advice and got every one of the targets. I amazed myself. I thought her advice was gamey in the negative sense of the word. Thus, gamer can be a positive or negative term. It is all about context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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