Subdeacon Joe Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 That is awesome awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Might as well scare your targets before engaging them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Took me a minute to see it. I wonder whose plane it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Charlie Harley, #14153 said: Took me a minute to see it. I wonder whose plane it is. The Roundels look to be RAF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 When we moved to Fort Wayne in the late 70s the local Air Guard base was stocked with Phantoms. They could really shake some windows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: The Roundels look to be RAF It’s an RAF logo but the paint job is completely non standard. And the Phantom movies came out after the F-4 was retired. Made me wonder if it was a privately owned bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 Could be an RAF demonstration bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Proof that given enough thrust, even a brick can fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 1, 2019 Author Share Posted November 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Proof that given enough thrust, even a brick can fly. I thought that was the F-104. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 F-104 was more aerodynamic than a brick. It was a lead pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Phantom Phantom ! I thought Oh Crap ! What did He do Now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Phantom has a plane?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 By the time they see the Phantom on da Plane they will be Ghosts ..... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Looks like a screaming Phantom to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Creek Jack Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 11/1/2019 at 5:41 AM, Rooster Ron Wayne said: Phantom Phantom ! I thought Oh Crap ! What did He do Now ? Been missing Phantom, where is he? SCJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 10:45 PM, Subdeacon Joe said: I thought that was the F-104. On 10/31/2019 at 10:53 PM, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: F-104 was more aerodynamic than a brick. It was a lead pipe. Are you referring to the F4 or the F-104 Starfighter? ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Are you referring to the F4 or the F-104 Starfighter? ..........Widder Starfighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 3, 2019 Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Are you referring to the F4 or the F-104 Starfighter? ..........Widder I was referring to the F-104 Starfighter. Stubby little wings and the glide slope of a rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 48 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: I was referring to the F-104 Starfighter. Stubby little wings and the glide slope of a rock. German Air Force called it the widowmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 3, 2019 Author Share Posted November 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said: German Air Force called it the widowmaker. Yep. By all accounts a hard plane to fly. One of the largest Bundeswehr training facilities for its pilots was a Luke AFB, which led to the Cactus Air Force Quote It was in August 1957, when at Luke A.F.B., Arizona, 15 German Luftwaffe pilots started transition training from World War II ME-109s and/or ME-262s to the F-84 “Thunderstreak†. Among those “student pilots†were names like Maj. Rall and Maj.Obleser (both became Chief of Staff German Air Force in the seventies and eighties), Majors Krupinski and Wegner (later Commanders GAFTAC) and Major “Bubi†Hartmann. All of them were fighter aces in WW II with more than 200 kills each, and “Bubi†Hartmann as the all-time ace of aces with 352 kills. The 1957 Luke A.F.B. historian wrote: “They all were pretty good pilots and seemed to enjoy flying the F-84 very much.†In fact, they did! At this point in time it was unforeseeable, that this was to be the very beginning of a historic event in military aviation: A binational fighter pilot training program, which, even by today’s standards, would turn out to be exceptional by quantity, but especially by quality .A total of over 2700 German Air Force and Navy fighter pilots were trained at Luke A.F.B. between 1958 and 1983. Historic German Squadron Realigns Quote In 1955 after World War II and upon entrance into NATO, Germany faced the problem of rebuilding their air force or "Luftwaffe." It was Luke that would assist the Germans in training their pilots. The training of the German pilots began at Luke on August 15, 1957 with the first class consisting of 7 pilots. Of the German pilots in class 57-T, three stood out among the group. It was now up to Thunderbolts to re-orientate and train three very high-profile aces who had not seen the insides of an aircraft for 11 years. Among the famous German trainees was Maj. Erich Hartmann with 352 aerial victories, Lt. Col. Guenther Rall with 275 and Capt. Fritz Obleser with 120. The pilots began their training by flying the T-33 and F-84 aircraft. Albeit the Germans started training at Luke in 1957, it wasn't until the sixties when the Cactus Starfighter Squadron became an organization. The Luftwaffe switched to the F-104 Starfighter aircraft in 1964, and three years later, it was Arizona Governor Jack Williams who officially named the squadron. On March 29, 1967, the governor issued an executive order stating, "...it would be an honorary organization with no official status, comprised of young men of the Federal Republic of Germany who, following pilot training in Arizona, were made honorary citizens of the state. Upon entry in this informal service, it is hoped members of the squadron will enjoy fellowship reminiscent of the state of which they are honorary citizens." On March 16, 1983, the F-104 training program at Luke AFB ended. The Germans flew more than 900 Starfighters totaling an excess of 269, 750 hours and produced 1,868 F-104 pilots. "For years the United States Air Force and Luke Air Force Base have enjoyed close ties to generations of German Air Force Airmen trained through the 63rd Fighter Squadron, 'the Cactus Starfighter Squadron,'" said General Stephen R. Lorenz, Air Education and Training commander. "As the sun sets on the 63rd Fighter Squadron, the Cactus Starfighter Squadron's torch - its heritage, traditions, and honor - proudly passes to the Airmen of the 310th Fighter Squadron. From this point forward, the 310th is decreed to be the Cactus Starfighter's Wingman, forever perpetuating the bonds of brothers in air warfare." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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