Goody, SASS #26190 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Got a call this afternoon. A state SASS Sanctioned BP Championship match had just concluded. Like most states all categories were included, not just the few regular BP categories. Some had shot BW, using Blackhawks and 97. At the conclusion of the match someone complained that the rules for BP specified non adjustable sights. I was asked my opinion and said that I believed it would follow the rules for the category, B Western, with BP being the powder in all guns. Was this the proper call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringer Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Yes. They weren't shooting frontier cartridge, they were B Western black powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 As long as the clothing & leather requirements were met - good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Chance Morgun Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Proper call? I dunno , ask PWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Rules for guns and clothing requirements follow the specified SASS category requirements, although BP or sub must be used. So, in BW, they can use a 97 and adjustable sights. They may also have had a gunfighter category as well as a Frontier Cartridge Gunfighter category offered. The difference being the Gunfighter category may use a 97 shotgun where the FCG may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said: Got a call this afternoon. A state SASS Sanctioned BP Championship match had just concluded. Like most states all categories were included, not just the few regular BP categories. Some had shot BW, using Blackhawks and 97. At the conclusion of the match someone complained that the rules for BP specified non adjustable sights. I was asked my opinion and said that I believed it would follow the rules for the category, B Western, with BP being the powder in all guns. Was this the proper call? Please explain what a SASS Sanctioned BLACK POWDER Championship Match is. (Must be something new that someone invented) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Please explain what a SASS Sanctioned BLACK POWDER Championship Match is. (Must be something new that someone invented) SASS Black Powder State Championships, Territorial Championships, and International Championship matches have been around for a while. They are sanctioned by SASS. The form for hosting one of these Championship level matches is on the website. If you are looking for a great SASS sanctioned Black Powder Championship match, head to Florida in the spring. They have a double Championship weekend with the SE Territorial BP Championship as well as the International BP Championship. Two great matches run by a great bunch of cowboys http://fwcc.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 All category rules apply the difference is you use BP or BP substitute instead of smokeless. If I remember right the BP championships are not supposed to have an overall match award but only class awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 SASS-sanctioned Black Powder matches have been going on since (at least) 2006. BP Regionals were designated as "Territorial" matches and, as with the State BP Championships, offer all SASS categories (including the "smokeless" cats) using BP in all firearms. Some matches also split the percussion shooters out from the cartridge users (e.g. offering both Frontiersman Gunfighter and FCGF). I participated in the first NW Territorial BP match in 2006 and, out of habit at that time, checked the box for "Traditional" category. That was the same as "Frontier Cartridge" (fixed-sight revolvers shot Traditional/two-handed-style) the difference being, as Branchwater Jack mentioned, 1897 shotguns could be used in "Traditional". One other shooter had done the same (but we both used SxS shotguns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L said: All category rules apply the difference is you use BP or BP substitute instead of smokeless. If I remember right the BP championships are not supposed to have an overall match award but only class awards. IIRC, the reason for no "Overall" match winner is that many matches also offer some type of "Plainsman" category (using a single-shot rifle, often with a reduced round count) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 For these BP Championship matches, SASS sends pins for the winners. Looking around, I have some going back to 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringer Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I found an 06,07, and 08. Tried a picture but didn't have enough memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Please explain what a SASS Sanctioned BLACK POWDER Championship Match is. (Must be something new that someone invented) Answered above by several. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Goody, SASS #26190 said: Answered above by several. Somebody please point me to the rules, and contract for the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Somebody please point me to the rules, and contract for the event. https://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/2020StateBPagreementFINAL.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Somebody please point me to the rules, and contract for the event. From the contract Quote SASS Shooting Categories: SASS State Blackpowder Shootouts are required to offer a variety of shooting categories. Categories are divided into two main divisions, Frontier Cartridge and Frontiersman (Cap and Ball). Each division can offer Wrangler, Cowboy, Duelist, Gunfighter, Cowgirl, Lady Wrangler, Lady Duelist, Lady Gunfighter, Seniors, Elder Statesman, Lady Senior, Grande Dame, Young Guns, Buckaroo, Classic Cowboy, Classic Cowgirl, and Plainsman. In the interest of ensuring and promoting a true competitive environment at this level of SASS shooting competition with the sport of Cowboy Action Shooting™, it is highly encouraged all categories have a minimum of 3 registered shooters in ladies categories and a minimum of 7 registered shooters in open categories. There is no mandated limit on Junior, Buckaroo/Buckarette, as well as Elder Statesman/Grand Dame, and +. Recommendations: Please refer and adhere to the SASS Match Administration and Stage Design documents on the SASS Website for guidance regarding appropriate match and stage design. It is recognized an “all blackpowder” match incorporating all the categories in the SASS Shooters Handbook “bends” the stated rules regarding propellants. All firearms must use blackpowder or SASS acceptable substitutes that generate smoke at least equivalent to 1 CC of blackpowder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringer Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: From the contract Looks like Silver Senior got left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Ringer said: Looks like Silver Senior got left out. They left off 49er and a couple others too. The category list is more of what you call guidelines than actual rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: https://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/2020StateBPagreementFINAL.pdf Not a good link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Not a good link. try this one https://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/2020StateBPagreementFINAL.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Ringer said: I found an 06,07, and 08. Tried a picture but didn't have enough memory. From 2011 and 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 There is even a SASS Black Powder Shootout for Wild Bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: There is even a SASS Black Powder Shootout for Wild Bunch. Or, at least it was featured on this year's pin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2008 pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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