Make do Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 As you know at times the shot shells get stepped on and the mouths bent. When I get them back to round it creates a bit of a flair, so they no longer fit the gun easily. I have run them through normal shot shell sizers but they don't seem to touch the mouth and bring it back to fitting - any suggestion as to a fix? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 CH-4D makes a 12 ga resizing die that completely resizes. Ain't cheap, but will do the job. Ch4d.com They also make a die that will put a nice little roll type crimp on the mouth too. Makes 'em real easy to chamber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Flats Jack Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 the rcbs cowboy 12ga die set has a roll crimp in it. i've had good luck getting the mouths back in shape using that. but the sizing part really isnt worth spit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 ive always wanted to shoot brass shot shells never wanted to get that deep into reloading issues and the paper/plastic are so easy and plentiful , i hope you get it all sorted out and hope you will share it with us , one day i may have more time and i might want to follow this path Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Here's another endorsement for the CH-4D dies. When I started reloading all brass, I got the RCBS ones. They worked just fine until I fired the shells in my vintage 87. Suddenly they would not chamber in anything but the 87. Not my 97s, not my Parker, not my 870, nothing. So, I got the CH-4D. They once again fit in everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Mountain Drifter Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Make do said: As you know at times the shot shells get stepped on and the mouths bent. When I get them back to round it creates a bit of a flair, so they no longer fit the gun easily. I have run them through normal shot shell sizers but they don't seem to touch the mouth and bring it back to fitting - any suggestion as to a fix? thanks I was wondering why you where having those problems at Dayton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Dude, SASS # 51223 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Use a Mandrel and a plastic hammer. Insert mandrel in brass case, with plastic hammer , carefully tap out the area in question. I have restored many of my distorted brass SG cases using this method. Then resize them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 PLUS ONE to Lefty Dude. If they are really badly miss-shape, I just toss 'em inna scrap barrel. Not worth the problems trying to rehab them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: PLUS ONE to Lefty Dude. If they are really badly miss-shape, I just toss 'em inna scrap barrel. Not worth the problems trying to rehab them. Yeah. More trouble than it’s worth usually. Make wind chimes or ceiling fan chain pulls outta em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Sheridan Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Tried the RCBS Cowboy 12G dies, and they missed the mark on that one. My CH4D dies should be here the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The thing with brass shells is, besides being occasionally stomped, if you use them in different guns they will probably have to be re-sized due to the differences in chambers and the expansion of the brass. I only use one shotgun for brass hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Buckshot Sheridan said: Tried the RCBS Cowboy 12G dies, and they missed the mark on that one. My CH4D dies should be here the end of the week. You MUST lube the shells before you resize them. If you don't they WILL stick in the dies and are a bear to remove! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.J. Bones SASS# 75616 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 7:36 PM, Make do said: As you know at times the shot shells get stepped on and the mouths bent. When I get them back to round it creates a bit of a flair, so they no longer fit the gun easily. I have run them through normal shot shell sizers but they don't seem to touch the mouth and bring it back to fitting - any suggestion as to a fix? thanks Use a 1/2" to 3/4 threaded plumbing adapter. Put adapter in press die hole from the bottom. Set shell on top of ram and press it into the adapter. Puts a nice roll on the case mouth. Got the Idea and pic from a forum member years ago. Works good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Dude, SASS # 51223 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 When installing the roll on brass cases, put a slight roll. If you go to far you will not be able to get the wads and cards installed. If the roll is excessive, use a mandrel from the inside case rim and adjust as necessary. I have been there and done it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Ceiling Fan Chain Pulls is an absolutely BRILLIANT idea!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I run ALL BRASS 12Ga in 5 different Hammer Doubles. I have never had to resize any of my hulls. Run the same in all five guns. I do NOT recommend a roll crimp at the mouth. Makes em hard to reload and is of no real benefit unless you're trying to run them in a '97. I must admit though, running Hammer Doubles and Brass hulls is NOT the Yellow Brick Road to .... speed. Speed is not a issue. Looking Good whilst playing the game is the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Looking Good whilst playing the game is the issue There ya go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 +1 to that , its why i have considered it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I don't see anyone mention annealing the brass before trying to resize or otherwise iron back into shape. I've not had to reform a stomped on hull but annealing is something I'd consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Art Tillery Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 17 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I run ALL BRASS 12Ga in 5 different Hammer Doubles. I have never had to resize any of my hulls. Run the same in all five guns. I do NOT recommend a roll crimp at the mouth. Makes em hard to reload and is of no real benefit unless you're trying to run them in a '97. I must admit though, running Hammer Doubles and Brass hulls is NOT the Yellow Brick Road to .... speed. Speed is not a issue. Looking Good whilst playing the game is the issue Do you load with smokeless by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Major Art Tillery Nope. I do not load my All Brass hulls with Smokeless. Onlyist things I shoot are BP or APP. I particularly like APP. I will share though .... When reloading my hulls I have actually "felt" a very slight "drag" as a couple of cases went through the RCBS die. This has only happened maybe twice in a ton of loading my hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Art Tillery Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Major Art Tillery Nope. I do not load my All Brass hulls with Smokeless. Onlyist things I shoot are BP or APP. I particularly like APP. I will share though .... When reloading my hulls I have actually "felt" a very slight "drag" as a couple of cases went through the RCBS die. This has only happened maybe twice in a ton of loading my hulls. Ok thanks. I load with goex... But was curious about loading with smokeless, I know some have done it. The brass shells are just awesome!.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Major Art .... That's a really nasty thought That Fad Heathen Smokeless stuff in all brass hulls ..... ugh. Like kissin yer sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Make do Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 Well I ordered the 20 gauge die from cH4d and it came today - Man the shells that had been sticking in the gun were very difficult to run through the die- smeared them profusely with Unique lube and it was impossible to get the shell all the way in, in one pass. Switched to a different lube and it was a bit better but still difficult. But they now drop in with ease. I will have to shoot them to see it they shuck any better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Sheridan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 THe Unique lube does OK, but I started mixing up my own that was slicker and cheaper, a quart of highest percentage Isopropol alcohol to a 4 ounce bottle of lanolin. hand full of shells in a gallon sip lock bag, couple sprays of the lube mix in the bag roll them around, and take them out to let the alcohol evaporate off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Brasse, SASS #3562 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Might try Imperial Sizing Die Wax, also good for case forming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Dude, SASS # 51223 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 I reloaded my Brass 16 ga. shells with Smokeyless. The shells were converted to use regular SG primers. Shells also had Teflon base wads. They were made by Hammer Double, sorry no longer made. Unique was my powder of choice. I also have some 16 ga Rocky Mt. Cartridge Brass shells, I use for hunting. Kinda pricey tho, mine cost $5.00 ea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Why do some people seem to think that you can't run smokeless in all brass shells? I've been doing it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Why do some people seem to think that you can't run smokeless in all brass shells? I've been doing it for years. Because the thought of shooting smokeless powder in ANYTHING is just so, well, revolting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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