Boomstick Bruce 633 Posted October 20 Has anyone seen or have one of these? I kind of want one!!! https://americanguncraft.com/product/diablo-break-open-blued-finish-12-gauge-pistol-rosewood-grip/ I think it would be a hoot!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Wolf 24 Posted October 20 I bet you that thing shoots out some serious flames. How do you not need an FFL to buy that? It's apparently CA compliant too. Red Wolf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 167 Posted October 20 Uses 209 primer - black powder is is fuel. STL Suomi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arizona Gunfighter 59 Posted October 20 38 minutes ago, Red Wolf said: I bet you that thing shoots out some serious flames. How do you not need an FFL to buy that? It's apparently CA compliant too. Red Wolf It uses black powder, no FFL needed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sedalia Dave 5,499 Posted October 20 (edited) x Edited October 20 by Sedalia Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turkey Flats Jack 162 Posted October 20 as neat as it looks dont think i'd be pulling the trigger on something like that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Original Lumpy Gritz 5,224 Posted October 20 An answer to a question, that was never asked....... OLG 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomstick Bruce 633 Posted October 21 1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: An answer to a question, that was never asked....... OLG nobody ever asked "can i own a 6 inch barrel 12 gauge sxs thats legal in CA?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assassin 992 Posted October 21 Yeah, I could see a pair of those in my safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 2,508 Posted October 21 Twenty-first century Howdah Pistol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,239 Posted October 21 Boomstick, please reconsider. Signed, Your wrist in 15-20 years. 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 2,508 Posted October 21 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Boomstick, please reconsider. Signed, Your wrist in 15-20 years. Now, Pat... if you wuz sittin' up in your howdah and your elephant was trying futilely to shake that tiger off his leg while it was crawling upward, intent on chompin' yo' butt for supper, you'd be more'n happy to have that thing in your hands! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Forty Rod SASS 3935 3,591 Posted October 21 I need one of those about as much as I need mumps. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,239 Posted October 21 6 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Now, Pat... if you wuz sittin' up in your howdah and your elephant was trying futilely to shake that tiger off his leg while it was crawling upward, intent on chompin' yo' butt for supper, you'd be more'n happy to have that thing in your hands! But, but, my elephant’s in the shop and I can’t afford the bill. I may never get him back... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Henry T Harrison 645 Posted October 21 I don’t have any need for one but I sure want one 5 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 2,508 Posted October 21 7 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: But, but, my elephant’s in the shop and I can’t afford the bill. I may never get him back... But... but... but elephants don't have bills ~ they have trunks! (Don't have hoods or glove compartments either, I don't think. ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc X 105 Posted October 21 New type of derringer side match? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utah Bob #35998 8,411 Posted October 21 (edited) 20 hours ago, Turkey Flats Jack said: as neat as it looks dont think i'd be pulling the trigger on something like that. Depends on how much BP you stuff in it. I’d keep it around 50 gns of 2f I think. The Shotgun Nation review shooting it at 15 yards was silly. I think it’s a 10 yard gun max. Edited October 21 by Utah Bob #35998 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utah Bob #35998 8,411 Posted October 21 14 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: I need one of those about as much as I need mumps. Ditto.......but still..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,239 Posted October 21 18 hours ago, Boomstick Bruce said: nobody ever asked "can i own a 6 inch barrel 12 gauge sxs thats legal in CA?" They claim it's legal in CA, but I can assure you it ain't. It is a handgun in appearance so calling it "any other weapon" does not cut it with the CA DOJ. It's either a handgun or it's a long gun. There are no in-betweens here in La-La-Land. It would be considered a "sawed of shotgun". You cannot by a Taurus Judge here or that S&W Governor. They are not allowed. For your head shaking pleasure: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 1,478 Posted October 21 8 hours ago, Henry T Harrison said: I don’t have any need for one but I sure want one As a back-up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrel Cody 3,096 Posted October 21 13 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: They claim it's legal in CA, but I can assure you it ain't. It is a handgun in appearance so calling it "any other weapon" does not cut it with the CA DOJ. It's either a handgun or it's a long gun. There are no in-betweens here in La-La-Land. It would be considered a "sawed of shotgun". You cannot by a Taurus Judge here or that S&W Governor. They are not allowed. For your head shaking pleasure: https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search BP muzzleloader, why is that not legal there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,239 Posted October 21 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: BP muzzleloader, why is that not legal there? Because it is for shot, like a sawed off shotgun. Edited October 21 by Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrel Cody 3,096 Posted October 21 Just now, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Because it is for shot shells. It's a muzzle loader, it doesn't take hulls/shells. Or am I misunderstanding what a muzzle loader is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpo 3,030 Posted October 21 This was put out by the NRA twenty years ago. NRA-ILA FAX ALERT 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-3918 * GROOTS@NRA.org Vol. 4, No. 50 12/12/97 BATF CLASSIFIES SOME "IN LINE" MUZZLELOADERS AS "FIREARMS" According to an Industry Circular sent out to all FFL holders last week by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,muzzleloaders "with in-line firing mechanisms designed or redesigned to use modern conventional firearm primers DO NOT meet the definition of antique firearms, and are therefore now subject to regulation as a "firearm." The issue revolves around the definition of "modern ammunition," in which BATF classifies a primer, by itself, as ammunition. BATF is operating under the premise that if a "modern primer" is used anywhere in the firing mechanism, then the firearm is "modern," and thus, not subject to the 1898 exemption for antiques or replicas. "Primers are not an antique ignition system and are ammunition subject regulation," That thingy uses shotgun primers. Sounds like ATF would say it's a modern firearm. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,239 Posted October 21 52 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: It's a muzzle loader, it doesn't take hulls/shells. Or am I misunderstanding what a muzzle loader is? No, you are misunderstanding what CA classified as a sawed off shotgun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomstick Bruce 633 Posted October 22 (edited) https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=16170 Edited October 22 by Boomstick Bruce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hillbilly Drifter 761 Posted October 22 6 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Really? You are member #12345 with only one post under your belt? Pretty sure that is a made up number.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,239 Posted October 22 9 minutes ago, Hillbilly Drifter said: Pretty sure that is a made up number.... Yep, that's why I reported it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Harley, #14153 1,142 Posted October 22 If that were somehow a cartridge-shooting, BATFE-legal, SxS version of Mossberg’s Shockwave, I’d be tempted to get excited. But as it stands, I’ll just pass. I can have as much fun with my Bond and some creative BP loads. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpo 3,030 Posted October 22 You mean like this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sedalia Dave 5,499 Posted October 22 Don't worry, after the Pyrodex has its way with that thing it will never work again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
