Pee Wee #15785 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I am shooting a wild bunch match with my brother in Nov and told him I would load the ammo. What cast bullet is being used in the 230gr weight. He is using a stock Colt 1911 Model 70 that likes hard ball best. I would like to stay as close to what it likes as I can. Black powder .44-40 I know but this new smokeless powder and 1911's are strange to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Use a RN lead with about 5.6gn of WW231 powder. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 For your brother's needs - a round nose "ball" bullet, 230 grains - many different makers make something very close to the FMJ from military and factories. The Magma mold 230 grain round nose is quite good. A poly coated bullet is excellent in the 1911, because the 1911 gets fouled quickly using conventional lubed lead slugs. Make sure you seat the bullet so that none of the straight section of the lower part of bullet sticks out of case above the mouth - at very most, only 0.10" above the case mouth. If you leave the "full bore diameter" of the bullet exposed above the mouth, it jams while feeding with the slide refusing to close the last 1/8". Test in his gun that you have the seating depth right before you load a big batch! The 1911 has a very short throat in the barrel, so bullet seating depth is pretty critical. About 4.3 or 4.4 grains of WST (Winchester Super Target) will have him making power factor while using the most common Wild Bunch pistol powder. Muzzle velocity must be checked with a chronograph before they test his ammo at some future match and disqualify him! Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 And, case gauge every round that you load for him. It's easy to leave a sliver of lead bulge at the case mouth, and that will quite often cause the round to fail to feed well. GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 The SASS Wild Bunch Forum has a reloading section, lotsa good stuffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 And make sure he has lots of quality magazines Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: For your brother's needs - a round nose "ball" bullet, 230 grains - many different makers make something very close to the FMJ from military and factories. The Magma mold 230 grain round nose is quite good. A poly coated bullet is excellent in the 1911, because the 1911 gets fouled quickly using conventional lubed lead slugs. Make sure you seat the bullet so that none of the straight section of the lower part of bullet sticks out of case above the mouth - at very most, only 0.10" above the case mouth. If you leave the "full bore diameter" of the bullet exposed above the mouth, it jams while feeding with the slide refusing to close the last 1/8". Test in his gun that you have the seating depth right before you load a big batch! The 1911 has a very short throat in the barrel, so bullet seating depth is pretty critical. About 4.3 or 4.4 grains of WST (Winchester Super Target) will have him making power factor while using the most common Wild Bunch pistol powder. Muzzle velocity must be checked with a chronograph before they test his ammo at some future match and disqualify him! Good luck, GJ WST is an excellent.45 acp Powder. I used it for years shooting Bullseye. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I use unique. Might switch to 231 when I run out. Gauging each round is very important. I use a lee bulge buster on the rounds that don’t drop in and out of the gauge. Very few that won’t go after a trip through the bulge buster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, Old Man Graybeard said: I use unique. Might switch to 231 when I run out. Gauging each round is very important. I use a lee bulge buster on the rounds that don’t drop in and out of the gauge. Very few that won’t go after a trip through the bulge buster. There nothing wrong with Unique, it's been my go to load for years. As Garrison Joe pointed out OAL length is critical as well as a good crimp. Case gage every match round and the Lee bulge buster is a handy device for rounds that don't case gage. Use good quality magazines. Have fun in November! Tully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I would have thought you would have worked out the loading of 45 ACP "Before" you volunteered to load for someone else. Good luck. Invest in a good reloading manual. PS: Forgot. I happen to be one of those picky people whom refuse to shoot ammunition loaded by "others." "Others" may not really know what they are about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perro Del Diablo Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Round nose be my first choice with round nose flat point 2nd. My powder choice is Winchester 231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Something like the Lyman 452374 bullet works well in stock guns and closely copies the hardball shape. I have run them in my original made in 1916 Colt 1911 and it has never failed to feed and is scary accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 From Laser Cast's reloading manual. 230 grain LRN. 3.9 grains of Tight Group. Right at 170 power factor. I use Hi-Tek coated bullets from Cimarron Bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pee Wee #15785 Posted October 20, 2019 Author Share Posted October 20, 2019 I need to know what bullet supply co to order from for a good cast bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Pee Wee #15785 said: I need to know what bullet supply co to order from for a good cast bullet. https://bulletsbyscarlett.com/shop?olsPage=products%2F230-grain-45-colt-or-acp-sized-452&page=2 OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Pee Wee #15785 said: I need to know what bullet supply co to order from for a good cast bullet. Cimarron Bullets. I have loaded well over 10000 and have yet to find a bad bullet. Lots of shooters in the NE Texas and south east OK area buy from him. Excellent price, exceptional quality, and he supports SASS clubs in this area. The 230 grain LRN bullets feed flawlessly in my 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Pee Wee #15785 said: I need to know what bullet supply co to order from for a good cast bullet. This question comes up often. Here is a link to a recent thread. I recommend loading a lot of at least ten rounds for testing before the match. Ensure all rounds feed and the slide locks back after the final round is fired. I'll let others advise you on how far the 1911 should throw ejected cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I use a 230 grain lead round nose bullet the same shape as a jacketed hardball bullet. To figure out how to seat it, I took a single round of GI Hardball and set my dies to fit that round. Resulting loaded rounds have the same shape and dimensions of GI ammo. I use 3.5 grains of Trailboss. This round works jut fine in my 1913 vintage GI 1911, a 1943 vintage 1911-A1 made by Remington Rand, and both of my Tommy Guns, drum or stick mag. Good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: https://bulletsbyscarlett.com/shop?olsPage=products%2F230-grain-45-colt-or-acp-sized-452&page=2 OLG Scarlett gave me a box to try. Best bullet I've used so far in my Springfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pee Wee #15785 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 Thanks for the info, Have a box of Scarlett's coated bullets on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 18 hours ago, Pee Wee #15785 said: Thanks for the info, Have a box of Scarlett's coated bullets on the way. I just made up some Wild Bunch ammo using Scarlett’s 230 grain coated bullets. I used 4.0 grains of WST which was the starting load in one of my manuals. It averaged 759 fps from my pistol which more than makes power factor. A fellow WB shooter who does not reload found some factory ammo with coated round nosed lead bullets. He had issues with that ammo. It’s really hard to know until you try a particular load in a particular pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 200gr bullet and 6.0 gr of Unique. Works great for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4.0 - 4.2 grains WST/230 grain RN. Something with a slight shoulder at the case mouth seems to work best, such as in this pic. HSM, SNS, and others market a similar bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I like 185 poly coated RNFP using Trailboss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attica Jack #23953 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Lots of answers to this question. I use a 200gr. ACME Hi-tek coated bullet, it has a round nose but has a lip like a semi-wadcutter, and 5.0grs of W321/HP38, 1.250 OAL, this combo work great in my Mil-spec Springfield. ALWAYS check each round with case gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Stone, SASS #53366 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I use Desperado Cowboy Bullets 235 gr. round nose with either 3.6 grs of Clays or 4.2 of VV N-320 with a magnum primer. Won a World Championship shooting Traditional a couple of years ago with this load. Marshal Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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