Dantankerous Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Gotta love the innovation and tenacity involved in beating the system. https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/franklin-armory-title-1-other-weapon-all-new-for-california-ban-state-shooters/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=aa4c8ff385-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-aa4c8ff385-21892343#axzz62hpcEvYd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Ummm...I think these guys had better read the regs again. I would not buy that and try to say it's a featureless legal rifle in CA. CA does not recognize that gray area of calling a gun a "Firearm". It must be a "handgun" or a "long gun". There is no "firearm" designation. Maybe some folks get their kicks talking / arguing with law enforcement about their guns at a shooting range or a traffic stop. I do not. I take risks on my motorcycle but those risks won't cost me thousands in court / attorney's fees or land me in the pokey. Fooling around with gun laws is a risk I prefer not to mess with in this state. I wouldn't give this "firearm" a second look if it were presented to me at a gun show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I would think that Franklin Armory has attorneys that researched it. Maybe not. We’ll wait for a test case I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Handguns eligible for sale in CA have to be on CA's "Approved List" : https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search I rather doubt what Franklin Arms is allegedly selling as "CA legal" has gone through the testing and even if by chance they submit one or more guns for testing and they do pass the tests, CA will still not approve the gun based on looks alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 So I read it and I do not see much that makes it that much different than an AR style "pistol". I do not think CA or others are going to accept that if it is not classified as a rifle by the ATF then they are going to call it a pistol and it still has banned features that are listed in the banned assault handgun category. For heavens sake a broomhandle mauser is classified as a an assault pistol since it has a ammunition feeding device other than in the handle. As stated above I am not sure I want to arguing all that in those court systems and if it came down to it, will Franklin put up the money and attornies to help you out? Alright, I do not see what is the problem with so called featureless long guns. There is little I can not do with a Mini 30, Mini 14 or my Winchester 1907. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I have no interest in ARs, nor do I have a dog in the fight. With that in mind, I would not attempt to own an AR in California. The law here is SO capricious, it changes as the wind blows. That which was legal and grand fathered yesterday, is now illegal and banned today. I figure CA will ban my SA revolvers last of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, LostVaquero said: Alright, I do not see what is the problem with so called featureless long guns. There is little I can not do with a Mini 30, Mini 14 or my Winchester 1907. The problem with those is... those are next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Looking more and more like stormtrooper blasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Like my ray gun...he goes by “Ronnie” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I'm sorry, but I just can't bring myself to care anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 I couldn't bring myself to own something like that simply because it'd be a constant reminder of the idiocy of our so-called leaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 It’s only cosmetic. Besides, I actually like that stock. It’s remarkably comfortable and intuitive while shooting. and...they aren’t “leaders”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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