Reality of War

[Subdeacon Joe]

[Utah Bob #35998]

Hot or cold cheese sandwich?

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 minute ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

Hot or cold cheese sandwich?

 

Sign says "Western Desert" so....
Hot..

and stale.

[Major Crimes]

With a slice of cucumber.

 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

and cold beans

[Smoken D]

Bad day at the office!

[Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme]

All battle plans go to hell after that first shot is fired.

[Blackwater 53393]

Nathan Bedford Forrest.  ATTACK IN ALL DIRECTIONS!!

[Utah Bob #35998]

Set the headspace on the Browning.

 

[Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L]

No battle plan ever survives initial contact.  Murphy's rules of war

[Cat Brules]

Consolation?

 

 The same thing is likely going on in the enemy armored vehicles.

[Constable Nelson #11784]

As a British Field Marshal (Sir William Slim) is reputed to have said   "The British Army always manages to fight its battles uphill, at night, and at the junction of two or more maps"

 

Cheese sandwiches notwithstanding....

[Utah Bob #35998]

14 hours ago, Constable Nelson #11784 said:

As a British Field Marshal (Sir William Slim) is reputed to have said   "The British Army always manages to fight its battles uphill, at night, and at the junction of two or more maps"

 

Cheese sandwiches notwithstanding....

And usually very bad maps.

[Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795]

From the description of the armament, they were using an M-3 Grant

[Utah Bob #35998]

And I never heard AFV used in any WWII literature I've read. I believe it's a pretty modern term.

 

[Constable Nelson #11784]

On 9/28/2019 at 9:48 AM, Utah Bob #35998 said:

And I never heard AFV used in any WWII literature I've read. I believe it's a pretty modern term.

 

 

Maybe so.... but more modern terms can aid in recognition...       I doubt many folks would know what the terms  serpentine,  saker,  culverin and  basilisk mean ...  Easier to just say "cannon"...

[Cat Brules]

On 9/27/2019 at 4:48 PM, Utah Bob #35998 said:

And I never heard AFV used in any WWII literature I've read. I believe it's a pretty modern term.

 

 

The Germans took an early LOOK at the idea and later, post-war, developed their own.

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Probably the TERM developed circa 1950-1957 or so(?)   In the US, these I believe(?), after development, saw some limited deployment in Vietnam in the mid-late 1960’s, with some equipped with surface to surface anti-personnel/anti-tank missiles, and some equipped with 20mm “chain guns” (multi-barreled auto-cannon).   

 

I saw them.  Can anyone elaborate?

 

Cat Brules

[Subdeacon Joe]

13 hours ago, Constable Nelson #11784 said:

saker

 

 

The large falcon, or the gonne (gun) named for it?

[Cat Brules]

Okay I recall now....

 

The VULCAN/CHAPARRAL, combined:   (Vulcan) 20mm chaingun cannon/(Chaparral) missile system.  The system was mounted on a  mobile armored track vehicle

 

(I was wrong earlier; the Chaparral missile is surface-to-air)

 

It, or some some version of it, must be in use today.   Most likely, there’s an optional surface to surface mission system.

 

 Anyway, that’s it.   I was familiar with these back in the mid60’s .

 

 Any updates from anyone? 

Cat Brules

[Major Crimes]

5 hours ago, Cat Brules said:

 

The Germans took an early LOOK at the idea and later, post-war, developed their own.

, 

Probably the TERM developed circa 1950-1957 or so(?)   In the US, these I believe(?), after development, saw some limited deployment in Vietnam in the mid-late 1960’s, with some equipped with surface to surface anti-personnel/anti-tank missiles, and some equipped with 20mm “chain guns” (multi-barreled auto-cannon).   

 

I saw them.  Can anyone elaborate?

 

Cat Brules

 

53 minutes ago, Cat Brules said:

Okay I recall now....

 

The VULCAN/CHAPARRAL, combined:   (Vulcan) 20mm chaingun cannon/(Chaparral) missile system.  The system was mounted on a  mobile armored track vehicle

 

(I was wrong earlier; the Chaparral missile is surface-to-air)

 

It, or some some version of it, must be in use today.   Most likely, there’s an optional surface to surface mission system.

 

 Anyway, that’s it.   I was familiar with these back in the mid60’s .

 

 Any updates from anyone? 

Cat Brules

 

AFV is a general term for Armoured Fighting Vehicle and doesnt neccessarily mean just Tank, Armoured Personnel Carrier or any other varient (such as anti aircraft described above).

 

As for Armoured Anti Aircraft vehs there are a plethora and I think most modern armies with a mechanised capability have them (not Australia though). Not many vehicles mix missle and gun on the same chasis but the US and Russia have a few examples.

 

 

[Utah Bob #35998]

28 minutes ago, Major Crimes said:

 

 

AFV is a general term for Armoured Fighting Vehicle and doesnt neccessarily mean just Tank, Armoured Personnel Carrier or any other varient (such as anti aircraft described above).

 

As for Armoured Anti Aircraft vehs there are a plethora and I think most modern armies with a mechanised capability have them (not Australia though). Not many vehicles mix missle and gun on the same chasis but the US and Russia have a few examples.

 

 

In the US an AFV is primarily an armed personnel carrier. A tank would never be referred to as an AFV.

[Major Crimes]

52 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

In the US an AFV is primarily an armed personnel carrier. A tank would never be referred to as an AFV.

 

Every country has their own way of looking at it. In Australia we follow the below definition (from Wiki)

 

An armored fighting vehicle (AFV) is an armed combat vehicle protected by armour, generally combining operational mobility with offensive and defensive capabilities. AFVs can be wheeled or tracked. Main battle tanks, armoured cars, armoured self-propelled guns, and armoured personnel carriers are all examples of AFVs.

Armoured fighting vehicles are classified according to their intended role on the battlefield and characteristics. The classifications are not absolute; two countries may classify the same vehicle differently, and the criteria change over time. For example, relatively lightly armed armoured personnel carriers were largely superseded by infantry fighting vehicles with much heavier armament in a similar role.