Subdeacon Joe Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Hot or cold cheese sandwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share Posted September 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Hot or cold cheese sandwich? Sign says "Western Desert" so.... Hot.. and stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 With a slice of cucumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 and cold beans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken D Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Bad day at the office! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 All battle plans go to hell after that first shot is fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Nathan Bedford Forrest. ATTACK IN ALL DIRECTIONS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Set the headspace on the Browning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 No battle plan ever survives initial contact. Murphy's rules of war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Consolation? The same thing is likely going on in the enemy armored vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Nelson #11784 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 As a British Field Marshal (Sir William Slim) is reputed to have said "The British Army always manages to fight its battles uphill, at night, and at the junction of two or more maps" Cheese sandwiches notwithstanding.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Constable Nelson #11784 said: As a British Field Marshal (Sir William Slim) is reputed to have said "The British Army always manages to fight its battles uphill, at night, and at the junction of two or more maps" Cheese sandwiches notwithstanding.... And usually very bad maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 From the description of the armament, they were using an M-3 Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 And I never heard AFV used in any WWII literature I've read. I believe it's a pretty modern term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constable Nelson #11784 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 9:48 AM, Utah Bob #35998 said: And I never heard AFV used in any WWII literature I've read. I believe it's a pretty modern term. Maybe so.... but more modern terms can aid in recognition... I doubt many folks would know what the terms serpentine, saker, culverin and basilisk mean ... Easier to just say "cannon"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 On 9/27/2019 at 4:48 PM, Utah Bob #35998 said: And I never heard AFV used in any WWII literature I've read. I believe it's a pretty modern term. The Germans took an early LOOK at the idea and later, post-war, developed their own. , Probably the TERM developed circa 1950-1957 or so(?) In the US, these I believe(?), after development, saw some limited deployment in Vietnam in the mid-late 1960’s, with some equipped with surface to surface anti-personnel/anti-tank missiles, and some equipped with 20mm “chain guns” (multi-barreled auto-cannon). I saw them. Can anyone elaborate? Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 13 hours ago, Constable Nelson #11784 said: saker The large falcon, or the gonne (gun) named for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Okay I recall now.... The VULCAN/CHAPARRAL, combined: (Vulcan) 20mm chaingun cannon/(Chaparral) missile system. The system was mounted on a mobile armored track vehicle (I was wrong earlier; the Chaparral missile is surface-to-air) It, or some some version of it, must be in use today. Most likely, there’s an optional surface to surface mission system. Anyway, that’s it. I was familiar with these back in the mid60’s . Any updates from anyone? Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Cat Brules said: The Germans took an early LOOK at the idea and later, post-war, developed their own. , Probably the TERM developed circa 1950-1957 or so(?) In the US, these I believe(?), after development, saw some limited deployment in Vietnam in the mid-late 1960’s, with some equipped with surface to surface anti-personnel/anti-tank missiles, and some equipped with 20mm “chain guns” (multi-barreled auto-cannon). I saw them. Can anyone elaborate? Cat Brules 53 minutes ago, Cat Brules said: Okay I recall now.... The VULCAN/CHAPARRAL, combined: (Vulcan) 20mm chaingun cannon/(Chaparral) missile system. The system was mounted on a mobile armored track vehicle (I was wrong earlier; the Chaparral missile is surface-to-air) It, or some some version of it, must be in use today. Most likely, there’s an optional surface to surface mission system. Anyway, that’s it. I was familiar with these back in the mid60’s . Any updates from anyone? Cat Brules AFV is a general term for Armoured Fighting Vehicle and doesnt neccessarily mean just Tank, Armoured Personnel Carrier or any other varient (such as anti aircraft described above). As for Armoured Anti Aircraft vehs there are a plethora and I think most modern armies with a mechanised capability have them (not Australia though). Not many vehicles mix missle and gun on the same chasis but the US and Russia have a few examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Major Crimes said: AFV is a general term for Armoured Fighting Vehicle and doesnt neccessarily mean just Tank, Armoured Personnel Carrier or any other varient (such as anti aircraft described above). As for Armoured Anti Aircraft vehs there are a plethora and I think most modern armies with a mechanised capability have them (not Australia though). Not many vehicles mix missle and gun on the same chasis but the US and Russia have a few examples. In the US an AFV is primarily an armed personnel carrier. A tank would never be referred to as an AFV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: In the US an AFV is primarily an armed personnel carrier. A tank would never be referred to as an AFV. Every country has their own way of looking at it. In Australia we follow the below definition (from Wiki) An armored fighting vehicle (AFV) is an armed combat vehicle protected by armour, generally combining operational mobility with offensive and defensive capabilities. AFVs can be wheeled or tracked. Main battle tanks, armoured cars, armoured self-propelled guns, and armoured personnel carriers are all examples of AFVs. Armoured fighting vehicles are classified according to their intended role on the battlefield and characteristics. The classifications are not absolute; two countries may classify the same vehicle differently, and the criteria change over time. For example, relatively lightly armed armoured personnel carriers were largely superseded by infantry fighting vehicles with much heavier armament in a similar role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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