Cypress Sun Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 With a possible hurricane around the corner, I may have to purchase about 50 gallons of non-ethanol gasoline for my generator. Of course, there is to chance that the power never goes out or the the hurricane turns away after purchase. My vehicle is 20 years old with approximately 140K miles on it with a Ford V-6 motor. It's never had any other fuel other than regular gas at first and then the 10% ethanol fuel when we were forced to go to that. Would it be safe to use the unused ethanol free gas in my vehicle? I don't know if it burns hotter/colder, if it will harms gaskets, rings/pistons, valves, etc, due never being introduced to the engine. From what I've read on here, some of ya'll have considerable experience in this area (and other areas) and I would like to draw from your knowledge. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 If I worried about it I’d put 5 gallons in and go top off the tank when I needed to get gas. That would make the average gas more like 6% ethanol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Howdy, Yes. If you have doubts, just mix in four or five gallons a week with pump fuel. Afaik the ethanol is what causes problems. Not the other way around. Best CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laramie Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Won't hurt a thing. Ethanol is only added because the government said it was a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 And don't forget, if you plan on holding on to the gasoline for any length of time (in-between hurricanes) then be sure to add to the gasoline in the can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Ron is correct. The ethanol that is mixed in most pump gas is bad for our engines and fuel systems. It's corrosive, which is why those alternative fuel vehicles have different gas tanks and fuel systems from regular vehicles. I would love to have access to alcohol free gas for my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Only thing ethanol free gasoline will do to your car is improve the fuel economy. Many older cars can be harmed by gasoline with ethanol added. As CBB stated ethanol gasoline will damage older rubber and composite components. In case you were not aware do not put any gasoline in your car with more than 10% ethanol added. Higher concentrations of ethanol will damage vehicles that were not designed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirrupTrouble Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 When I use 10% ethanol fuel in either the car or the pickup, my fuel efficiency drops by 20-30% (depending on the vehicle). I never buy it unless I am at a station where I have no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Make sure you use the right type of stabilizer. There are stabilizers for gas with and without E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: Make sure you use the right type of stabilizer. There are stabilizers for gas with and without E. THIS ^^^^ OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Alcohol is for drinking, not burning for fuel! What a waste of some potentially good corn likker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Don't get me started on ethanol. Bad stuff all the way around. Especially in small engines. We only use ethanol free gas in our small engines now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Can always distill out the ethanol, maybe 500 ft from any dwelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Who or what gas stations have ethanol free gas? I have Honda generators and a55 and 69 chevy? Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2013/03/gas-with-ethanol-can-make-small-engines-fail/index.htm Especially bad for outboard motors where a failure to start will leave you with human power only. Ethanol free gas stations - https://www.pure-gas.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Here on the western slope of Colorado quite a few stations have ethanol free gas, designated by a blue price sign. Have not seen any on the commiefornia east slope centered around Denver. My wife uses the ethanol free in her 2018 Fourrunner and gets about 2.5 mpg better than adulterated gas. Price per mpg ($2.46 ethanol @ 19.5 mpg = 12.6 cents per mile and $2.65 @ 22 mpg = 12 cents per mile is roughly equal so hard to tell a financial benefit. In my 2012 Kia Sorento I get a little over 1 mpg better with ethanol free so not really a savings for me. A mechanic friend told us the percentage of ethanol varies by the station selling it as Colorado only specifies "up to 10% ethanol". Most of my small engine power tools like chain saws, generators and leaf blowers specify to not use ethanol gas as it can possibly damage the engine. Regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Warden Callaway said: Don't get me started on ethanol. Bad stuff all the way around. Especially in small engines. We only use ethanol free gas in our small engines now. Don't have that non-Ethanol stuff here. I only use premium grade gas in my 34+ yo Jeep and small engines. I do use Lucas Fuel injection cleaner, as it does appear to significantly reduce the water absorption of the Ethanol and the corrosion that water will cause to the carb. bowl and jets. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I have to run premium in my Camaro and I don't know a source for ethanol free premium gas, 93 octane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Thanks to all who responded. I trust you're opinion a helleva lot more than the internet. I really don't know what the government was trying to solve with ethanol. Caused more problems than it solved. Like putting sawdust in Parmesan cheese, makes it look like more but it's just a filler. Around here, there are plenty of places to buy ethanol free fuel....WaWa's for one and they seem like they are positioned about 8-10 miles apart. Didn't used to be that way. To get e-free, it was about a 30 mile round trip. CBB, I've never seen 93 octane e-free gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Howdy, There is one pump in one station in town with no alkehaul gas. It is priced higher than premium but not crazy high. I run it during real cold weather and when the honda seems sluggish. I have not measured mpg, but that is very innnterrestink. Best CR ps my camaro needed lead added to prem. I got tired of the skull crossbones on the cans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: I really don't know what the government was trying to solve with ethanol. All about politics, large corporations, and making environmentalists feel good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Thanks to all who responded. I trust you're opinion a helleva lot more than the internet. I really don't know what the government was trying to solve with ethanol. Caused more problems than it solved. Like putting sawdust in Parmesan cheese, makes it look like more but it's just a filler. Around here, there are plenty of places to buy ethanol free fuel....WaWa's for one and they seem like they are positioned about 8-10 miles apart. Didn't used to be that way. To get e-free, it was about a 30 mile round trip. CBB, I've never seen 93 octane e-free gas. They used to have it years ago before the whole ethanol thing. I've learned to live without it, but it's a bummer. As WC said, it's all about politics and putting money into the pockets of politicians and big agriculture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringer Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Our Co-op used to have it. We also had a station in town that sold it as "racing fuel." Haven't been ther since I sold the vette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I would like to see if 93 octane zero-E fuel would improve the performance of my car. Someday..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: They used to have it years ago before the whole ethanol thing. I've learned to live without it, but it's a bummer. As WC said, it's all about politics and putting money into the pockets of politicians and big agriculture. Remember Sunoco 780? That was good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: Remember Sunoco 780? That was good stuff. We had only one Sunoco when I was coming up as a driver and I don't remember it well. Was it premium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 You can get high Octane unleadded non-ethanol fuels from VP Racing. Warner Robins GA even has a VP service station that sells high octane fuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Local NAPA store has VP Racing MS109 unleaded for $185.00 per 5 gal can. I don’t think they sell much. I would be thrilled to have access to any 93+ unleaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 About different grades of gas... there was a time when when they made a law. If a station sold different grades of gasoline, the station had to have more than one tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Several stations here sell the no ethanol gas. I use it in all my small engines and my boat. I thought the gov't did it because they thought it would result in less oil being imported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life said: I thought the gov't did it because they thought it would result in less oil being imported. That’s what they said but the farm lobby had a lot to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 You can remove the e from any grade of gasoline by pouring a quart or more of H2O in the five gallon can of gas and shaking it up, let it set and the water will mix with the e and settle to the bottom of the can. Nasty looking stuff but it works. This came from a website that deals with getting e free gas when none is available. No I don't remember which one. But it works, try it with a small amount of gas and prove it to yourself. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life said: Several stations here sell the no ethanol gas. I use it in all my small engines and my boat. I thought the gov't did it because they thought it would result in less oil being imported. It increases the price of corn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said: It increases the price of corn. That icreases the price of everything made of corn - including bacon and whisky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 Well, crap. Looks like I'm going to to buy 60 gallons of E-0 gas real soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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