Irish Pat Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I would like some recommendations for a good gunsmith outfit to re finish my 1906 colt. It is a shooter not a collector item but I want it to look nice. The barrel is re nickeled the ejection housing is gold plated along with the back strap. It has ivory grips but looks like it came from a whore house. It is a 45 but my colt letter stated it left the factory as a 32-20. Irish Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Any pics of this whore? Seriously I would like to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Tyler Gun Works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catlow4697 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 With Ivory grips on it you should nickel the Colt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 I I am allergic to nickel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I too would love to see pics. And there are a lot of folks out there that can blue it easily enough. That isn't the issue. You want to find someone that has a good reputation for do the prep work needed to get a good final finish. I can look up some folks that I know of who do exceptional work. They are usually a bit pricey, but all will be less than Turnbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Irish Pat Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 Hombre that is what I am looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Pat that is a neat gun. El Hombre asked me to join the conversation. Your gun isn't completely trashed. Just cosmetically challenged Many ways to go about refinishing the gun. You can spend any where from hundreds (strip the gun and reblue) to thousands bring it back to like new. This effort on a 1901 gun was a few hundred for stripping and blue. bit more $ to clean off the frame add some $ to that for some color enhancing ( and where I'd have stopped for a neat looking shooter) this on a 1901 and a few $1000 more for a total rebuild and factory refinish. this is what we started with an old over buffed nickel gun, needing a total rebuild, and by the look of it was much worse than yours. My suggestion? Decide how you want the gun to look when you are done and how much money you are willing to spend to get there. The trick..if there is one... is not to letting anyone near your gun with a buffing or polishing wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Not cheap-NONE better...... https://www.turnbullrestoration.com/ OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I'll have to disagree with you Gritz. There are at least 3 or 4 folks all very capable of rebuilding an old Colt to "brand spanking new". At least one I can say from personal experience with both that is better IMO. Those that have done something similar typically agree with me on the "one guy". Turnbull is far and away, over the top, the most expensive of the three I have used and takes the longest. If you can swallow the $ amount and the time I am sure Turnbull's work won't disappoint. But when you are talking a "better" quality end result, I do believe there are better sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 To be honest, I wouldn't change a thing. It's got character. It's an honest shooter and it looks kinda nice. I especially like the gold highlights. Compare it to this... As you can see, it has what the dealer I got it from called a "bad chrome refinish." But the gold hammer and ejector housing give a interesting look. The grips are worn and broken and over all it makes for one ugly First Generation antique that cost me 500 bucks that is a good shooter. Yours looks a heck of a lot better than this one, and in spite of how ugly this thing is, I'm gonna leave it as is. It's got some history and character. I don't want to erase all of that. Still, if you really wanna redo yours, go ahead. I just don't think you need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 26 minutes ago, levi littleton said: I'll have to disagree with you Gritz. There are at least 3 or 4 folks all very capable of rebuilding an old Colt to "brand spanking new". At least one I can say from personal experience with both that is better IMO. Those that have done something similar typically agree with me on the "one guy". Turnbull is far and away, over the top, the most expensive of the three I have used and takes the longest. If you can swallow the $ amount and the time I am sure Turnbull's work won't disappoint. But when you are talking a "better" quality end result, I do believe there are better sources. I have seen other's work-T'bull does the very best real CCH. His remarking of the bbls and rec'r is legendary. Never said he is cheap-Best never are. Might be a reason he takes so long-Work load OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo casey #19191 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 U might check with Griner Gunworks .I know he does quite a bit of Blueing. Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I have seen other's work-T'bull does the very best real CCH. There we go disagreeing again I've had Turnbull do a bunch of work over the years . Still do on occasion. I consider myself pretty picky on how I want my guns done and have found other folks that I use more often because I think they are better at duplicating what Colt and Winchester did. Look closely and it isn't the old Winchester colors? Is it the old Colt colors? Nope. Adding lacquer to the finish makes the colors "pop" but it doesn't make the best or real. FWIW Turnbull does do real color case on some things but not all. Getting a hard surface finish is the goal of case hardening not color. Color is simply a by product of the meal/bone/charcoal/urine combo furnace process. Lots of folks do real color case hardening and have for a while that are closer to the original Colt colors. Take a look at a couple thousand 1st Gen old Colt's that still have good color on them and then get back to us about the "best". Colt is now delivering Custom Shop orders from 2 and 3 years ago. Don't make them the best six gun in production either. Just proves they have real piss poor time management skills. Blueing? Easy way to refinish these old guns is just blue them. Might even be a "traditional finish" by now as so many working guns were treated just that way. Like 90% of the old movie guns Problem as mentioned prior by one poster is the metal prep. And the bad metal prep is why so many old Colt's got wrecked with round corners/edges and missing roll marks. You could get the OP guns stripped and reblued for under $250. easy enough...and may half of that in the right place. A little elbow grease past that and you'd have a nice looking old Colt that would be protected for another 100 years if taken care of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Irish-Pat said: ...It is a 45 but my colt letter stated it left the factory as a 32-20. Irish Pat Did it letter as a nickel 32-20 originally? If it did start off nickel you might think about having it re-nickeled by the right guy. It looks to have an early 45 barrel and cylinder. I like the gun and the grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Not cheap-NONE better...... https://www.turnbullrestoration.com/ OLG +1 on Turnbull, I saw the before and after on a barely shootable Win 73 that was absolutely amazing. And one restored Colt 73 too. NOT cheap!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Lonnie at Run-n-Iron. He'll go as far as you want to go toward making it factory original. Make it clear it's to be a shooter, and price should be reasonable. http://www.runniron.com/index_cowboy.html Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 hours ago, levi littleton said: There we go disagreeing again I've had Turnbull do a bunch of work over the years . Still do on occasion. I consider myself pretty picky on how I want my guns done and have found other folks that I use more often because I think they are better at duplicating what Colt and Winchester did. Look closely and it isn't the old Winchester colors? Is it the old Colt colors? Nope. Adding lacquer to the finish makes the colors "pop" but it doesn't make the best or real. FWIW Turnbull does do real color case on some things but not all. Getting a hard surface finish is the goal of case hardening not color. Color is simply a by product of the meal/bone/charcoal/urine combo furnace process. Lots of folks do real color case hardening and have for a while that are closer to the original Colt colors. Take a look at a couple thousand 1st Gen old Colt's that still have good color on them and then get back to us about the "best". Colt is now delivering Custom Shop orders from 2 and 3 years ago. Don't make them the best six gun in production either. Just proves they have real piss poor time management skills. Blueing? Easy way to refinish these old guns is just blue them. Might even be a "traditional finish" by now as so many working guns were treated just that way. Like 90% of the old movie guns Problem as mentioned prior by one poster is the metal prep. And the bad metal prep is why so many old Colt's got wrecked with round corners/edges and missing roll marks. You could get the OP guns stripped and reblued for under $250. easy enough...and may half of that in the right place. A little elbow grease past that and you'd have a nice looking old Colt that would be protected for another 100 years if taken care of. CCH fades some over time from UV-None of us know for sure just what the color 'depth' was when they left the factory in the 1870's. I have seen a few NIB Colt's from the 1870's at the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody Wy, and the color was fairly sharp. Who do you go to for your CCH work? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hangman Ruth Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I've been looking at Ford's Customs in FL to refinish a non SASS gun. Prices look reasonable and the photos on the web site look good. I have no experience with them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Who do you go to for your CCH work? OLG I can't speak for Levi, but I have been using Classic Guns Inc out of Illinois for all of my Colt hammers and a few other parts. The Colt hammers match my colts perfectly. I've also done the lever and parts of an original 92 as well as a dragoon frame and some other stuff. I'll try to dig up some pictures later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: CCH fades some over time from UV-None of us know for sure just what the color 'depth' was when they left the factory in the 1870's. That is nonsense. You only read that kind of statement coming from people who haven't had the good fortune to examine dozens of high condition older Colts. There are many, many pristine Colts from the 1870s to tell us just how vibrant original Colt colors were/are. Lots of first gen guns in new condition, as well as 2nd Gens to tell us exactly what Colt colors looked like originally. I have one sitting near my desk as I type this. But here is a hint for you. Colt used sperm whale oil to improve the durability/lessen rust on the color case. Which in turn made the colors brighter at least till the Sperm oil dried out. But no colors as bright as what modern clear lacquers make something like Turnbull's color case. Turnbull will leave off the lacquer if you request it. Makes them closer to a original Colt. Add Sperm whale oil and you are good to go. I've been involved in SASS a long time. When a pard asks a question I can help answer in detail I'll try. Most of us got into SASS in part for the history as well as the shooting. Might be cap and ball guns, might be B western. But I don't take every fad as gospel...and there are a lot of fads. Bright lacquer finished case colors are simply a modern fad. They aren't historically correct any more than shooting a 32 H&R magnum or a 44 magnum is or a 45 Colt in a lever gun. I might do it but I sure as hell know the difference and I aint gonna be trying to convince anyone other wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I'm not talking about lacquer covered CCH. I hate that........ As I posted-I've seen NIB 1870 era Colt's, and the CCH was very nice. Colt also used Sperm Whale oil as a cutting oil. As did other makers of the time. UV of Sunlight is well known to fade the colors of CCH. Call folks that do this work, and they will tell you. If you can-Sure would like to see pictures of the guns you speak of sit'n at your desk. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 https://precisionbluing.com/about-us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 John Powers of Powers Metal Works is in duson (right next to Lafayette). If you wanna drive that far to save the hassle of shipping, he does excellent work. 337.940.9400 Alan Harton of Single Action Service in Houston is very good too. He and turnbull probably have a long lead time. Can't find his number right now. I had Alan fix up a colt I had that was made in 1877. He restored it to how it left the factory with the exception of the blueing because I don't like shiny guns. John actually did a lot of Alan's CCH work when he lived in the Houston area and he's worked on just about all of my cowboy guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I'm not talking about lacquer covered CCH. I hate that........ 99.9% of Turnbull's work is lacquered, DA. You obviously need to get out more. Whale oil was the highest quality lube they had for machine work for years. It got used for a lot of things. You might need to call someone. I have done the metal work on enough guns to actually have a clue. Office looks like this. Unfired 1st year 2nd gen is top right, vertical with factory 2 piece pearls in 44-40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, levi littleton said: 2 2 hours ago, levi littleton said: 99.9% of Turnbull's work is lacquered, DA. You obviously need to get out more. Office looks like this. Unfired 1st year 2nd gen is top right, vertical with factory 2 piece pearls in 44-40. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 so many beautiful revolvers , i keep looking - love the sight of them , thanks for sharing all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I'm a huge fan of old Colts like the OP's. So when he asked about a reblue, when done right it is a finish I always think is a great choice for a gun you want to shoot a lot. Blue can be cheap up front and as mentioned "almost traditional" now on old Colts that have been well used for a Century. One of my favorite guns is something similar that I reblued, hand scrubbed some and then added Paul Persinger ivory to. Love this gun because it shoots extremely well. Better yet, cheap to buy, easy to fix if anything breaks and may be best of all, easy to refinish to my liking. I did have Classic color case the hammer to add a little "flash" . It was a lightly used Uberti a couple of years old when I picked it up....and nothing special other than exceptional timing and shot my 255 gr handloads perfectly to POA/POI. This one earned its ivory. Easy enough to do the same thing to Pat's gun and really show off that fancy ivory his gun is packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I needed to find this photo from an earlier discussion on a similar topic also discussing case colors. Left to right. Current Uberti done with their salt bath colors, my unfired 1st year 2nd Gen, which is very typical of untouched and well preserved 1st or 2nd Gen guns and a recent Turnbull. Same guns in a little different lighting Top to bottom, Uberti, unfired 2nd Gen and the Turnbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew McCrae Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Myself personally I'd either send it off to someone trusted to do a nice color case job, or I'd sit and slow rust blue it myself. Nothing looks better on an old gun then slow rust blue and CCH at least to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Jim SASS # 21775 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 A lot of people on the Smith & Wesson forum swear by Fords in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi littleton Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Change of plan. IP is gonna keep the nickel and ditch the gold and silver on top of it. This was after a little elbow grease and the liberal use of a B-C cloth. I loaned him a pair of my 1st Gen pearls to make the point. More to do but it is a lot better now Really, really a nice old gun. (1910) Tight as a tick and a sweet trigger on a well timed gun. Wish it were mine You me shiny tool, I lub you long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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