Captain Bill Burt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This is Sharyn’s rifle with a C&I 4th gen. You can see a little timing work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This is the Iron Cowboy’s C&I 3rd gen. Shoots great but plenty of filing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This one doesn’t have a SS kit in it and whoever timed it got the timing right, but it’s pretty ugly and rounded off. I may try to put a 5th gen in this myself. I’ll wait and see how SB’s attempt works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Hells Comin said: Exactly where is the lifter drilled. The reason I ask -if it can be seen while the action is closed it's probably not legal. It was done where the lever engages the lifter. Lever covers the screw. Could not see until I took his lever out, but maybe if you were looking for it. The same place you would put a spot weld to add material. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I kinda wanna push you off the ledge... Does that make me a bad person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, G W Wade said: It was done where the lever engages the lifter. Lever covers the screw. Could not see until I took his lever out, but maybe if you were looking for it. The same place you would put a spot weld to add material. GW A buddy of mine came up with a Slick idea of drilling thru the lifter arm and threading the hole. Then put a Allen screw from the inside to contact the lever. It WAS a great way to adjust the timing. Luckily I found out before WR main match. That it wasn't legal. Shotgun Boogie welded over the top so u couldn't see the screw. Checked with Deuce Stephens and all was good ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Shooting Bull said: Based on all the input here I think maybe some more expert diagnostics need to take place before I start removing metal from ANYTHING. If you go on the Cowboy& Indian store web he has the instructions for timing his KITS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said: If you go on the Cowboy& Indian store web he has the instructions for timing his KITS You are right ... and I posted the link earlier in this thread ... http://cowboysandindianstore.com/pdf/C-I short stroke instructions 4-30-14.pdf and ... the best reason I found (the hard way) to review "those" instructions is because they instruct you to make sure the lever is not bent before you start making any other timing adjustments. Take the side plate off ... close the lever ... and look at the alignment of the link pins. It is easy to get the lifter to clear the bolt tab by many different means but if the lever is not right before you start the pins of the links will not be in alignment w/ the gun is in battery. This will work but will not be as strong (opposing backward force) as having all three pins in alignment. Your headspace will not be right either. The part of the lever that holds the link pin must be perfectly vertical when the lever is closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 12 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I kinda wanna push you off the ledge... Doors that make me a bad person? You're not a bad person, just misunderstood. (And if Winter Range was any indication I'd just bounce when I hit the ground anyway. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Patagonia Pete said: You are right ... and I posted the link earlier in this thread ... http://cowboysandindianstore.com/pdf/C-I short stroke instructions 4-30-14.pdf and ... the best reason I found (the hard way) to review "those" instructions is because they instruct you to make sure the lever is not bent before you start making any other timing adjustments. Take the side plate off ... close the lever ... and look at the alignment of the link pins. It is easy to get the lifter to clear the bolt tab by many different means but if the lever is not right before you start the pins of the links will not be in alignment w/ the gun is in battery. This will work but will not be as strong (opposing backward force) as having all three pins in alignment. Your headspace will not be right either. The part of the lever that holds the link pin must be perfectly vertical when the lever is closed. But if you have a 4th gen Cowboy&Indian short stroke you don't need to ck if the lever is bent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 said: But if you have a 4th gen Cowboy&Indian short stroke you don't need to ck if the lever is bent! Yep ... true ... true ... 4th gen comes w/ one of their "hardened" levers. After seeing how easily I could keep bending mine I finally bought one of their hardened levers myself (it's either straight or it's broke!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Bandit Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 I have one that just barely interferes when SLOWLY levered. When operating the lever more sharply the bolt clears perfectly...I see no reason to fix it to work slowly when that’s not how I’m using it. Maybe worth a look since you said your is running fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted August 16, 2019 Author Share Posted August 16, 2019 Excellent point Bandit. But I’ve been running it hard for five or six years now. I’m going to play it safe and have a professional look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Shooting Bull said: I’m going to play it safe and have a professional look at it. Then quit looking at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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