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29 minutes ago, Tascosa, SASS# 24838 said:

The mall is a gun free zone.

My understanding is that it was a free standing Walmart next to the mall. Some guys have said it’s not a GF zone. But 

I don’t live there.

 

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5 minutes ago, Dutch Nichols, SASS #6461 said:

Most malls and large retail stores here in TX

have signs posted at their entrances that state

the prohibition on carrying within their premises!

it’s a no win situation!

I've never seen one on a walmart. In fact, I OPEN carry at the one in Columbus. Everywhere else in Columbus too. Only 1 comment that was even close to negative.

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I don't know what the answer is but i have two grandsons that went to school with him in Plano, TX and knew the shooter fairly well.  One made the statement that if pressed to select someone from their huge class capable of doing this heinous crime it would be this guy.  

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Politicians want to “go after the NRA”? 

Why don’t they grow a pair and come clean and state their true intentions to go after the Constitution so we can get this all over with before I get too old to participate?

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5 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Hard to believe in Texas no one had a carry gun to stop this guy. 

 

Prayers for all the victims,:(

I’m sure there were, but as a combat vet I have seen first hand that having a gun and being able to use it in the heat of the moment when bullets are coming at you are not the same thing. 

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Drudge ran his manifesto right at the top, thanks Drudge. But having read it, it was clear he didn't like either political party - he hated immigration legal and illegal -he was a racist - he was a radical environmentalist - he wanted socialist programs like a Universal Income and Nationalized Healtcare. 

 

So the media will use this to push to ban guns, demonize the NRA and gun owners, and of course blame the president.  And as was said the media will never even look at the big role they play in creating these shootings by their coverage. It is demonstrable that when these things happen the odds of them happening again increase dramatically. The same dynamic was/is known to happen with well known or heavily covered suicides - if a student in a high schools commits suicide the odds of another student doing so jump astronomically. That is why media nationally began adopting a policy to limit and not sensationalize reporting on suicides. 

 

And yes, if someone had a gun and had used it, it is very likely the death toll would have been very substantially reduced. Studies have shown that when an armed citizen stops a shooting the number killed is in the low single digits on average, whereas when the police stop a shooting the numbers are on average in the double digits. That is per reports because the police response takes longer and seconds let alone minutes make a huge difference and because these shooters often kill themselves or surrender and give up as soon as they encounter armed resistance. 

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2 hours ago, Raylan said:

So the media will use this to push to ban guns, demonize the NRA and gun owners, and of course blame the president.  And as was said the media will never even look at the big role they play in creating these shootings by their coverage. It is demonstrable that when these things happen the odds of them happening again increase dramatically. The same dynamic was/is known to happen with well known or heavily covered suicides - if a student in a high schools commits suicide the odds of another student doing so jump astronomically. That is why media nationally began adopting a policy to limit and not sensationalize reporting on suicides. 

 

 

Has that started already?  Details are rather sketchy at this point, but I didn't need to wake up to the news of this happening a little over 20 miles from me, only 12 hours or so after El Paso...https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-10-may-be-dead-in-dayton-ohio-gunfire-reports

 

 

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9 hours ago, Tascosa, SASS# 24838 said:

The mall is a gun free zone.

I heard that. I wonder if WalMart is? All the Walmarts in these parts are okay to carry, there's no "gun buster" signs on them.

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Gun Free Zones = Schlachthaus  - they are an open invitation to demented troglodytes to come and work their wickedness.  Posting" no guns allowed"  is no more effective in preventing havoc  than chanting or casting medieval spells.   Only a fool, idiot or a naive nincompoop would believe a criminal, which by definition is such as he/she does not obey the law, would be deterred by this type of nonsense.  Those that make these kind of judgements, i.e., posting these nonsensical laws should be removed from office or held accountable for the consequences of the complete failure as in this case.  JMHO

 

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Here in Warsaw our teachers are armed. We also sell guns & Ammo at our Walmart. Most everyone around here have guns, armed and ready. Now when it comes to hunting season, everyone is armed, even some deer.

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14 minutes ago, Wapaloosie73 said:

I always pack a pistol when I go to Spokane....

 

If Iam breaking some local ordinances? Who cares?

 

Again I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

You stole my line. Unless it's a place Texas law specifically forbids (schools, hospitals, etc) I usually ignore those $%^ signs. Most of the ones around here are 30.07 signs that only prohibit open carry. I don't do that anyway, think it's a dumb tactical error.

JHC

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12 hours ago, Tascosa, SASS# 24838 said:

The mall is a gun free zone.

 

12 hours ago, Tascosa, SASS# 24838 said:

The mall is a gun free zone.

Hmmm not for the maggot that did the shooting....as always!  Heart breaking.   SCJ

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Well, this might have a little bit to do with these shootings going on. Chicago Police catch 3 in possession of AKs with AP ammo. Two have not been formally charged yet, but the one who was charged, can bail out for $1000.00. There is a strong message to the criminal community. What danger must be articulated for someone to be held on No Bond?

 

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2019/08/well-done-crimesha.html

 

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16 hours ago, Dutch Nichols, SASS #6461 said:

Most malls and large retail stores here in TX

have signs posted at their entrances that state

the prohibition on carrying within their premises!

it’s a no win situation!

Most of the stores here in Amarillo, Texas do not have a prohibition to carry in their stores. Even the liquor stores is ok to carry. I don't go to malls so I cant say about the malls in Amarillo. What part of Texas are you in pard?

 

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8 hours ago, Tascosa, SASS# 24838 said:

All the Walmarts in Amarillo are ok to carry. Which I ALWAYS do.

I stopped shopping at local Wal*Marts because they posted signs prohibiting carry.  This weekend I shopped at two Wal*Marts and the signs are gone.  Good News!  Wal*Mart parking lots are among the most crime ridden locations in ABQ.

 

I also shopped at two Costcos (its tax-free weekend).  One posted the following sign prohibiting carry and one did not.  The one without the sign will get my future shopping.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:

I stopped shopping at local Wal*Marts because they posted signs prohibiting carry.  This weekend I shopped at two Wal*Marts and the signs are gone.  Good News!  Wal*Mart parking lots are among the most crime ridden locations in ABQ.

 

I also shopped at two Costcos (its tax-free weekend).  One posted the following sign prohibiting carry and one did not.  The one without the sign will get my future shopping.

 

 

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Interesting to note: your sign says "By Decision Of The Landowner".  Does that sound like passing the buck to you?

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38 minutes ago, Calamity Kris said:

 

Interesting to note: your sign says "By Decision Of The Landowner".  Does that sound like passing the buck to you?

The property owner is responsible for posting the signs, not the state or county. If you have a store in the mall, the mall ownership posts the signs, no matter what your personal opinion might be.

 

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2 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

 

Interesting to note: your sign says "By Decision Of The Landowner".  Does that sound like passing the buck to you?

I'm not entirely sure what to think of the sign.  My transactional point-of-view is that this Costco is not a place where I will shop in the future.  Regarding "passing the buck to me"  - I believe I am primarily responsible for the physical safety of my family and myself in a retail establishment.  While I expect the physical plant to be free of known safety hazards like slippery floors or exposed wiring, I don't expected armed guards.  I just don't want a retailer placing legal barriers that hinder me from my responsibility.  Most of the retailers I deal with don't do that.  This Costco does.  

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In my state businesses have to put up a specific legal sign to legally ban carry on all their entrances. Some businesses try to have it both ways -  last time I looked at Costo their rules per their stores nationally is that guns are not allowed, however here at least one near me did not have the required signs posted. So their official policy is no guns but they fail to post the required signs to make it illegal. 

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I found a very curious statement here: 

On the radar? 

The link is to AOL's treatment of the shooting in El Paso.  I find it interesting that one of the people quoted said the shooter, from Allen Texas, which is just NE of Dallas, was not on their radar.  "Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, said the El Paso suspect was not on her group's radar. "We had nothing in our files on him," Beirich wrote in an email."  That of course appears to imply that people who commit crimes like this ARE on someone's radar before committing their crimes, but that someone does nothing to prevent the crime.

 

So who is monitoring the radar, and why don't they do something to prevent these crimes?  Inquiring mind wants to know.

 

Duffield

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5 minutes ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

I found a very curious statement here: 

On the radar? 

The link is to AOL's treatment of the shooting in El Paso.  I find it interesting that one of the people quoted said the shooter, from Allen Texas, which is just NE of Dallas, was not on their radar.  "Heidi Beirich, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, said the El Paso suspect was not on her group's radar. "We had nothing in our files on him," Beirich wrote in an email."  That of course appears to imply that people who commit crimes like this ARE on someone's radar before committing their crimes, but that someone does nothing to prevent the crime.

 

So who is monitoring the radar, and why don't they do something to prevent these crimes?  Inquiring mind wants to know.

 

Duffield

Who indeed? With millions of people on line I don’t think it’s possible for any government agency to monitor all the websites, Twitter accounts, Facebook, and all the social media mess. Maybe people might want to take some responsibility and remember the “if you see something, say something”

 

But that opens another can o worms doesn’t it. 

I have no solution.

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10 hours ago, Capt. James H. Callahan said:

You stole my line. Unless it's a place Texas law specifically forbids (schools, hospitals, etc) I usually ignore those $%^ signs. Most of the ones around here are 30.07 signs that only prohibit open carry. I don't do that anyway, think it's a dumb tactical error.

JHC

Maybe, but I can have my Taurus openly carried in action in less than a second. It would take longer to get my concealed one into action.

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