G W Wade Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I normally single load the 97, but when I do load the tube I feel an occasional glitch. Looking it over I found the shell is hitting the end of the carrier instead of resting on the cartridge stops. So the shell has to push the shell back into the tube before moving down. Not a big deal unless you put 6 in the tube. Now the gun is locked up tight. Seems the stops are about .015/.020 too short. Could the front of the carrier be dressed down to clear or have the stops built up to clear the carrier.. This is a Norinco …. Ask first=fix second. Thanks GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker McNeely Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 GW, I have a parts Norinco I’ll bring to Gunsmoke. The magazine tube is buggered and I could never get it as slick as my other 97’s. So I stopped messing with it. Other than that, it shoots fine. Maybe it will have what you need if you can’t get yours fixed for cheaper than parts gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooligan Howes Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I would think replacing the stops would be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Gambler Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 When you close the action is the bolt and carrier locked tight together? If not, is the main spring strain screw level with the top of the screw hole in the carrier? Normally the carrier is out of the way and can't block the shell in the mag tube. If your action is closed properly you can load from the bottom. If not closed properly you will not be able to load from the bottom. The action not closing properly, ie carrier not clearing, is the cause. Contact me at outlawgambler@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Outlaw Gambler said: When you close the action is the bolt and carrier locked tight together? If not, is the main spring strain screw level with the top of the screw hole in the carrier? Normally the carrier is out of the way and can't block the shell in the mag tube. If your action is closed properly you can load from the bottom. If not closed properly you will not be able to load from the bottom. The action not closing properly, ie carrier not clearing, is the cause. Contact me at outlawgambler@gmail.com Thanks OG The strain screw is below flush and carrier is up tight. Rim of shell is actually to the rear of the front of the carrier. As I stated looks like stops are too short. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The biggest problem in a loose...VERY loose...nut...the big one behind the stock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I have 2 real 97's and 2 reproductions. I also have a real 93. None of them will hold 6 rounds. Five no problem, but not 6. I am not positive, but I believe getting them to hold 6 requires some kind of modification. Maybe that's the source of your problem. I'm using 2.5" all brass Magtech hulls, or AA's that have been trimmed to 2.5" before loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 My Forth gen Norinco wouldn't hold six until I put in the modified magazine follower. Now it feeds six just fine. Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medicine Creek Johnny Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Use a bigger hammer to load the magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just out of curiosity, what is the reason behind the desire to load 6 rounds in a gun designed to hold 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Just out of curiosity, what is the reason behind the desire to load 6 rounds in a gun designed to hold 5? Said same thing on Wild Bunch forum. WB used to have 5rds in a 1911 that holds 7 but wants you to put 6 in a shotgun that wants 5. Only get to shoot 2 or 3 WB a year so not too important. Doesn't have to be 6, will hang up on 4 just not as bad. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Have 3 IAC imported Chinese 97s, oldest is an "06" series and newer. All three will easily hold 6 rounds in the magazine with the only modification being a shortened magazine spring. NONE of these are Norinco labeled guns. My experience with the guns before the "04" series is that most of our full time gunsmiths will not want to work on them to try to resolve severe feeding problems. Have had that occur with at least 3 smiths and 2 different Norinco label shotguns. They all have called out the poor tolerances and low-tensile strength metal of those guns. My expensive conclusion has been - if you don't want to work with an original Winchester 97, then get an IAC imported 06 or later. Forget the Norincos. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 I understand what your saying GJ. This is a Gen 1 or 2 that I bought new. Had the carrier replaced early and then Coyote Cap did his magic. It does function good until I tried to load 6 for WB. Decided to change the tolerances so I dressed down the from of the carrier so the shell rests on the stops instead of the carrier. Running good right now. Thanks to those who tried. Even Old Man Greybeard and Medicine Creek Johnny. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Carrier replacement was probably done with a Winchester part, rather than Chinese part. Part dimensions being "different" from blueprints was one of several things that Coyote Cap had to work with the Norinco folks to get right on their production of 97s, from what I remember him telling stories about 10 and 15 years ago. Yes, the cartridge stops have to be in control of the shells during most of the cycle, as the carrier is moving around and can't be in charge of "shell retention in magazine" during those times. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 This shotgun is old enough it came with genuine imitation walnut paint on the p#&# elm stock GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadwood Miner, SASS # 45575 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I have an old IAC 03 Model that only takes six. So for Wild Bunch I just load six 2" rounds, OR I load four 2 3/4" and two 2". Works great for me. DEADWOOD MINER 45575 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 You have to remember...GW is a very tired old binder “mechanic “. His tools consist of two sizes of straight screwdrivers,one Phillips screw driver...all rounded off...two crescent wrenches...one pair of pliers...one channel locks...one vise grip....one big hammer and one bigger hammer. And with that he wants to play gunsmith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Hope Old Man Greybeard and Medicine Creek Johnny have a great time at Return to Aqua Verde with out me this weekend. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medicine Creek Johnny Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Darn. I thought you were going GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 19 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: Have 3 IAC imported Chinese 97s, oldest is an "06" series and newer. All three will easily hold 6 rounds in the magazine with the only modification being a shortened magazine spring. NONE of these are Norinco labeled guns. My experience with the guns before the "04" series is that most of our full time gunsmiths will not want to work on them to try to resolve severe feeding problems. Have had that occur with at least 3 smiths and 2 different Norinco label shotguns. They all have called out the poor tolerances and low-tensile strength metal of those guns. My expensive conclusion has been - if you don't want to work with an original Winchester 97, then get an IAC imported 06 or later. Forget the Norincos. Good luck, GJ I've experienced both Good and Bad in various serious of the IAC model 97's. But I agree with the info shared by G.Joe above is good sound advice. I have 2 impeccable, fast and reliable 04 series IAC's, but if you are looking for a good IAC, look for 06 or later series (as stated by G.Joe), especially the COWBOY (CB) series. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I wish GW could have made it. Always a good time with him around. You will be missed my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 38 minutes ago, Old Man Graybeard said: I wish GW could have made it. Always a good time with him around. You will be missed my friend. Who is this and what did you do with the real OMG GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I guess it just doesn’t pay to be nice to some people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 after scanning through this thread I once came across a 97 , that would act out once in a while , feeding from the nag , it was a slightly bent carrier pin Chickasaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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