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Question on reloading 44-40 black powder cartridges

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Good Afternoon Pards,

I'm switching from reloading my 44-40's with 25 gn of FF and half of a lube wad and some grease cookie to a big lube bullet lubed with spg and a filler... still wanting to use about 25 gn of FF black powder. Just need some options for the filler and approximately how much to put in  ? I'm sure it will be trial and error. Will be shooting in a ubert 73 rifle. Thanks for any info. 

Larabee 

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When I was shooting BP in my 44-40 I loaded it with 25gr or 3F (Goex) and 5 gr. of Cream of Wheat (COW).  I also found that the Federal LPP worked best.  I shot it out of an 1860 Uberti Henry.

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I used some caulk backer rod when I did this once for my daughter's loads. Just cut a bunch up, put in the shell. I had to switch back when she complained that they didn't seem like real loads anymore. :)

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I used to get good results with the 200gr Lyman 427666 cast bullet over 33gr volume Pyrodex P in Winchester brass and CCI primers. I used to lubricate the cast bullets with Lyman Black Powder Gold lubricant. I did not have to fuss with grease cookies, fillers, or wads and that saved time on reloading.




 

Edited by Sixgun Symphony #62632
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+1 for caulk backer if you need to use filler.  Vaporizes upon firing and I have never heard of it compromising loaded rounds.

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I found something much better. U-Haul packing peanuts.   They are not plastic but foamed corn starch.  They are biodegradable. They feel like puffed paper.

 

https://www.uhaul.com/MovingSupplies/Packing-Supplies/Biodegradable-Packing-Peanuts/?id=730

 

I started using them as filler in shotgun loads.  I got to cutting them in 2 or 3 or 4 and using them as filler over my BlackMZ loads. They cut easaly with just scissors.  

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35 minutes ago, Crisco said:

+1 for caulk backer if you need to use filler.  Vaporizes upon firing and I have never heard of it compromising loaded rounds.

3/8” or 1/2” for .45 Colt?

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Anyone got a pic or link for the caulk backer rod ? Not familiar with that 

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1/2” is what I have used for .44-40 and .45 Colt, cut into roughly 1/2” sections.  You can find it in 20’ lengths in the screen door/window section of the hardware store.  Looks like 20’ gray licorice whips.  If I did this right a link to some carried by Home Depot is below.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Frost-King-E-O-5-8-in-x-20-ft-Polyurethane-Caulk-Saver-C23H/202262332?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal2_rr-_-206783276-_-202262332-_-N

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Hi Larabee:

Here's a link to Captain Baylor's page showing how he uses caulk backer rod.

--Dawg

http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.2.html

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11 hours ago, Larabee said:

Good Afternoon Pards,

I'm switching from reloading my 44-40's with 25 gn of FF and half of a lube wad and some grease cookie to a big lube bullet lubed with spg and a filler... still wanting to use about 25 gn of FF black powder. Just need some options for the filler and approximately how much to put in  ? I'm sure it will be trial and error. Will be shooting in a ubert 73 rifle. Thanks for any info. 

Larabee 

Add more black powder...And don't worry...

 

Texas Lizard

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Howdy

 

A bazillion years ago I tried adding a little bit of corn meal as filler to my Black Powder loads. I would pour in as much powder as I wanted, then fill the case with the corn meal until it would be compressed about 1/16" to 1/8" when the bullet was seated. I stopped bothering because it was extra work adding the corn meal than just filling up the case.

 

With an Uberti rifle, you will not feel the extra recoil of a full case of FFg instead of a case with some filler in it.

 

The only reason I have found for adding filler is if you want to save powder.

 

Not worth the extra effort to me.

 

Particularly not with a Big Lube bullet lubed with SPG.

Edited by Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283
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14 hours ago, Larabee said:

Anyone got a pic or link for the caulk backer rod ? Not familiar with that 

 

 

 

Look where they keep caulk .  It is used to take up space in gaps to big around windows or doors for the caulk. Any lumber store should carry it or even WalMart.

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I use Goex 3F then Corn Meal. I like how the Corn Meal packs hard in the casings . On top of the Corn Meal I put a wad made out of Cereal Boxes. I shoot 44 WCF in a 24 inch Barreled 66.

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I use fine granulated activated charcoal (like water filter charcoal) when I need a filler for BP.  IT NEVER packs hard with time (which raises pressures), it crunches just like BP does when you seat a slug, it adds no plastic to the fouling, it's a component of BP itself, and it adds no breakfast cereal smell.

 

Good luck, GJ

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I found a bunch of old filler loads in my cabinet, like 2-3 years old. They failed to go bang. I pulled them apart and the powder and COW was one solid crusty plug.

Not worth the effort if you ask me. Shoot 1 f if you want a light thumping full case load.

 

I do like the idea of GJ with charcoal......

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I use 8 gr. of Cream of Wheat over top of 25 gr. of Goex FFFg, topped with a Mav Dutchman Big lube bullet.  Been using that combination for about 8 years or more.  I set up my progressive pressive to dump in the FFFg, then the next stage adds the 8 gr. of Cream of Wheat.  You may need to experiment a little, but this load has worked great for me.

 

Good luck.

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I've tried em all in the last twenty years....except the charcoal. Caulk backer rod is the perfect filler, no muss no fuss. In 44 WCF it fills that bottle neck transition perfectly and disappears on firing

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23 hours ago, Bull Skinner said:

I've tried em all in the last twenty years....except the charcoal. Caulk backer rod is the perfect filler, no muss no fuss. In 44 WCF it fills that bottle neck transition perfectly and disappears on firing.

 

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Yul, 1/2" for 44 and 45, 3/8" for 38.

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