Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 As the title says, Lee dies, 45 acp, belling die... press is RCBS Rock Chucker even with barely any flare, not even enough to start the bullet, when with drawing the case from the die I have to yank up hard on the handle to get the case out. take out the powder funnel flaring piece, case goes up and down fine, take it out and run a previously flared case in and it catches coming out. my only thought is that the ridge inside the die that keeps the powder funnel flaring part from coming out the bottem has too small a diameter. what am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Are you lubing the cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 brand new starline brass, tumbled for an hour or more. Tried one batch with no lube, and one batch with some Hornady one shot lube, no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 New brass is a pain in the a**. It'll work better after you shoot it once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Bob Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Do you see any marks on the brass where its hanging up? Lees customer service is pretty good if you contact them they are usually pretty fast to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Have you sized the new brass before belling? Is this a new problem? Is it only with new brass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 slim, I used these dies on some used brass before, don't completely remember, but seems like I did have the problem but not to this extent. Yes, I ran all the cases thru the decap resize die, both to size and knock the stuck media out of the flash holes. Cholla Bob, no marks on the brass, and thanks for the suggestion, I need to do that next. Yet somehow I hadn't quite thought of it yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Assassin said: New brass is a pain in the a**. It'll work better after you shoot it once. Have had 2 friends tell me same thing. 1 with 45 acp and the other with 38 spec. Brass does NOT want to come off the expander. One thinks brass is hard, but problem goes away after firing. The other loaded without sizing and reloading got easier. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Look for machining marks on the flaring bell. I smoothed up all my lee expander dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Do you have a case chamfering tool? I'm thinking that would knock off that "new edge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Do you have a case chamfering tool? I'm thinking that would knock off that "new edge". Didn't help in our case, was first thing I suggested too. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I've not loaded factory new .45 auto cases ever. (Always at least once fired) But I do have quite a bit of hangup when expanding new Starline Cowboy 45 Special with a Dillon powder-thru die. Second loading, expanding goes just fine. I chalk it up to slightly thicker and harder brass in the C45S Starline cases than other calibers. It is a wildcat brass design, so it may be made thicker at the neck than other .45 calibers of brass. I stop and spray the OUTSIDE of the expander tube with Hornady One Shot when I run a new batch of Starline brass - every 25 cases or so. Solves the hang ups. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: I've not loaded factory new .45 auto cases ever. (Always at least once fired) But I do have quite a bit of hangup when expanding new Starline Cowboy 45 Special with a Dillon powder-thru die. Second loading, expanding goes just fine. I chalk it up to slightly thicker and harder brass in the Starline cases than other brands. I stop and spray the OUTSIDE of the expander tube with Hornady One Shot when I run a new batch of Starline brass - every 25 cases or so. Solves the hang ups. Good luck, GJ Right, if they are hanging up with the expander die it's the inside of the case that needs lube. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Ed SASS #30639 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 DAVE Try annealing a few , see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hangman Ruth Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I'll be following this. I'm having the same problem with new .38 special Starline cases and the Lee dies. I did not have the issue with the same dies when processing new. 357 Sig brass. I've taken the dies apart and cleaned the belling tip but they are still sticking hard. Like Grizz, no drag Mark's on the inside of the case mouth. I have not tried lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I have a few sets of LEE pistol dies, although not in 45 ACP. The LEE expanding plug is a bit rough as it comes, I've sometimes polished it, but not before checking the size. I think your issue is one size. New brass will be sized on the small side. (I'm guessing that a new case isn't hard to size in the sizer die) IOW, the inside of the neck is smaller than the button, and it grips the case. I just make sure that I raise the handle of the press a bit more aggressively. New brass will grip. Also, 45 being larger in dia. has more area to grip. I measure the inside of the case to check for adequate bullet grip. I'm lazy, I just measure a case before and after seating a bullet. After seating the case should be a bit bigger in dia. 0.001" is good. Another point is that the mouth on new brass gets work hardened in the tumbling process, a quick trim may help, but I've never bothered. After a few 100 rounds the expander gets nicely burnished and the "grip" lessens. I do remember lubing the expander button to lessen the pull on one die set. Helps prevent any galling during "break-in". It takes a few rounds, but the button will eventually wear, smooth out and get smaller in dia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, John Hangman Ruth said: I'll be following this. I'm having the same problem with new .38 special Starline cases and the Lee dies. I did not have the issue with the same dies when processing new. 357 Sig brass. I've taken the dies apart and cleaned the belling tip but they are still sticking hard. Like Grizz, no drag Mark's on the inside of the case mouth. I have not tried lube. Try not sizing your new brass. Shouldn't need sizing. Expander will round out any dings/dents. We found this made a big difference. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hangman Ruth Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, G W Wade said: Try not sizing your new brass. Shouldn't need sizing. Expander will round out any dings/dents. We found this made a big difference. GW I'll try that today! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew McCrae Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 In my experience new brass tends to be “too clean” and requires a good amount of lube. Ive had this happen with new rifle brass too. 15:1 liquid lanolin and >90% alcohol mix works wonders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Kid Rich said: it's the inside of the case that needs lube. I don't like spraying the inside of cases even with One Shot that dries pretty quick. I'm sure not going to use a case mouth lube brush on hundreds of cases. That's why I just spray a small amount on the outside of the Dillon Expander/Powder Drop Die's drop tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Never/ever spray the inside of any shell case with any type of lube Try this-Put a small dab of silicon spray on a Q-tip and run it around the inside of the case mouth. Are things 'mo-better'? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ball Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 For the sake of confirmation, I have the same problem with multiple calibers in Lee dies. I always attributed it to the fact that my press is mounted on a one-leg mobile stand, and therefore not very sturdy. Interested to see what you learn! Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 expander die Screw the die in until it touches the shell holder, then back out one full turn. Finger tighten the lock ring, adjust the flare to your liking; turning inward increases the flare. For maximum case life, flare only enough to easily accept a bullet. In use, the expander plug travels approximately 3/8” within the die and comes to an abrupt stop at extraction. This helps to shake the powder through. However, we recommend you check to be sure all the powder has cleared the funnel and expander plug.Be sure to occasionally clean the bullet lube from the expander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: I don't like spraying the inside of cases even with One Shot that dries pretty quick. I'm sure not going to use a case mouth lube brush on hundreds of cases. That's why I just spray a small amount on the outside of the Dillon Expander/Powder Drop Die's drop tube. That's the way I do it, has the same effect as lubing the inside of the case without taking a chance of powder contamination. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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