Leo303 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 “Marlin Jam” Re: 2001 Marlin 1894 CB Ltd, w/24” octagon Barrel. I purchased this rifle ~ Feb. 2012 for CAS. It came with 500 Rds of handloaded 38 Spl ammo, 1.53” LOA w/ conical bullets. (I kept these special 500 Rds in reserve.) Instead using Georgia Arms 158 Gr. RNFP 'Canned Heat' (1.43” LOA) for practice and matches. Before me, this rifle had been worked on by a couple of CAS gunsmiths, making it VERY smooooth. It Previously had a one piece firing pin installed, the lever cam surface was rounded where it contacted the carrier, the main spring and trigger spring were lightened and the action was VERY WELL polished. When working the lever, the sights NEVER moved!! It was amazing :-) In May 2014 had a jam with I attributed to the rifle being 'dry'. Cleaned lubed and range tested → Sat. Ran along fine until Sep. 2017. Locked up with the special handloaded 1.53” LOA w/ conical bullets, BUT the 158 Gr. RNFP 'Canned Heat' 1.43” LOA ran fine ??? → did the clean & lube thing again range tested → Sat. In Apr 2019 the rifle did the classic 'Marlin Jam' in 5 of the 6 stages at our monthly match. (26 'misses in that match.) Disassembled and inspected → there was a slight line on the bottom cam surface of the carrier. So I had a friend put a weld bead in the area, brought it home a ground the weld down. In the course of which, I ground a little off the rivet (teat) in the middle area of the carrier – i.e. it's now hosed-up. I called Marlin (Remington.) They were a little vague. Called Brownells about a 'new and improved' carrier (P/N 550-514-561) they had carried several year back . . .but don't carry it now. (See pix at: http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Marlin_1894_Carrier.htm) After looking in several forums for Marlin 1894 info, I found a reference to a Midway part number: 727646 at; https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/1894/586991-1894cs-issues-carrier-ammo.html By 'Marlin44shooter.' Ordered, installed and range tested it. Every .38 Spl and .357 round put through it loaded and fired without a hitch :-)) The P/N 727646 looked exactly like the 'new and improved' carrier P/N 550-514-561 that Brownell's had previously carried. It is full faced and a higher cam area. Recommended! Carry on, Jack Hays (SASS alias) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 You could send your carrier to Gunner Gatlin and have it fixed permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunger Dan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I like these posts with the end result/fix to a problem...so many keep going with no final solution that worked from the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attica Jack #23953 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Plus one for Gunner Gatlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Tyrel Cody said: You could send your carrier to Gunner Gatlin and have it fixed permanently. The best advice is to send the old one off to Gunner to get fixed. Then when the new one acts up, you'll have one as backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Gunner's fix is the best. I have seen more than one new carrier, that was borderline 'marlin-jam' out of the package. New part is not always the best fix. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Gunner's fix is the best. I have seen more than one new carrier, that was borderline 'marlin-jam' out of the package. New part is not always the best fix. OLG Agree with Lumpy. I actually put a NEW carrier (bout 2 years ago) into an 1894 and it was worse than the worn original carrier. JACK: if you intend to shoot the short OAL ammo, ask Gunner to give you about a .005 increase in height of your carrier ramp. If you intend to use the 1.5+ OAL ammo, the factory ramp degree would be sufficient for your timing, although the slight increase of .005 could benefit you, regardless of OAL of your ammo. One other thing: Most of the info given out on the Marlinowners website is information mostly learned from Cowboys and Cowboy gunsmiths. Thats why those fellers recommended Marauders website. For Marlin issues, you could probably get most answers here on the Wire. And if some of us don't know the answer..... we'll make something up.......and then blame it on LUMPY..... ..........Widder (Widowmaker on Marauders website) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I always tell everydangbody that you taught me everydangthing I don't know. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I always tell everydangbody that you taught me everydangthing I don't know. OLG Great minds think alike..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo303 Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 Gunner Gatlin contact info?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 29 minutes ago, Leo303 said: Gunner Gatlin contact info?? Try here with a PM. https://forums.sassnet.com/index.php?/profile/17749-gunner-gatlin-sass-10274/ OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Leo303 sent you a PM. JRJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I've seen severl references to bending the carrier rather than welding or installing an insert. Someone stated this is the way the Marlin factory adjusted carrier timing. This picture waa lifted from the Marlin Owners Forum. https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/jams-all-kinds/34992-tweaking-1894-carrier.html I have an old Marlin 1893 that needs the carrier adjusted. I may give this method a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Buy a 92 ,,,,, Done .... Sorry couldn't resist ,,, Just spent 4 hours setting a New 94 to working right.... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said: I've seen severl references to bending the carrier rather than welding or installing an insert. Someone stated this is the way the Marlin factory adjusted carrier timing. This picture waa lifted from the Marlin Owners Forum. https://www.marlinowners.com/forum/jams-all-kinds/34992-tweaking-1894-carrier.html I have an old Marlin 1893 that needs the carrier adjusted. I may give this method a try. You will only need to 'raise' the carriers nose .035-.040 to stop the Marlin Jam. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoot Hamilton Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Here's a Gunner carrier with Widders mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 WARNING: Bending the front of the carrier upwards is effective BUT, if the tongue on the front of the carrier has worn down or if it has been rounded on the edges, it can become ineffective in its purpose to keep the following round in the portal area from coming out when the carrier rises. That tongue is THE ONLY thing in the rifle that keeps rounds from moving out of the portal and going UNDER the carrier when cycling a round into the chamber. The 'TONGUE' is that frontal portion of the carrier that sticks out of the bottom of the receiver when the action is closed and the carrier is in its down position. If you bend the carrier and create this problem, you will have to get a good welder to add and reshape some steel onto the tongue without ruining it. That is why those who have dealt with these issues before have a general consensus that building up the carrier ramp is the more efficient method to correct timing........and Gunner Gatlins method is as good and permanent as any I have seen and used. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo303 Posted May 12, 2019 Author Share Posted May 12, 2019 Hi Jabez, I also have a Rossi 92, bui;t in the 80s (I think.) On top of barrel ".38 Spl - 357 Mag", On top of Tang "Amadeo Rossi S.A. Made in Brazil" On Receiver right side: "Model 92 SRC", "Interarms", "Alexandria Virginia" and "K 080504". Any guess as to the year manufactured??? (Rossi people were not helpful.) Have gone thru approx. 10 disassemble / polish / file / reassemble cycles and still needs work. This is the roughest action and poorest fitting rifle I have ever seen. I use it for deer hunting. Off the three lever action .357 Mags (two Marlin 94s and the Rossi) this is the most accurate. :-)) Thanks all, Leo ("Jack Hays") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo303 Posted May 12, 2019 Author Share Posted May 12, 2019 Hi Widder, Concur with you advice. I also have a 1989 Marlin model 1894 CS that developed a "Marlin Jam". I fixed that one with a filed down jig saw blade w/ JB weld on the carrier ramp area. It now works fine with all LOA .38 Spl and 357 Mag cartridges. :-)) Thank you, Leo ("Jack Hays") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 20 hours ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: Buy a 92 ,,,,, Done .... Sorry couldn't resist ,,, Just spent 4 hours setting a New 94 to working right.... Jabez Cowboy Took the words right outa my fingers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 19 hours ago, Leo303 said: Hi Widder, Concur with you advice. I also have a 1989 Marlin model 1894 CS that developed a "Marlin Jam". I fixed that one with a filed down jig saw blade w/ JB weld on the carrier ramp area. It now works fine with all LOA .38 Spl and 357 Mag cartridges. :-)) Thank you, Leo ("Jack Hays") Don't expect the epoxy to hold for long. Oil will weaken epoxy, and the shock/vibration of firing will let it loose at some point. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailboss (Santa) Dave Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 May happen my next match, but I have been shooting Marlins for years and never had the Marlin jam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Trailboss (Santa) Dave said: May happen my next match, but I have been shooting Marlins for years and never had the Marlin jam Your time will come........ You just jinked yourownself. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Quote Your time will come........ You just jinked yourownself. Grits - Never gonna happen: Never owned one - never shot one and never gonna buy one ... Carry On except for a couple of JM Marlin Ballard falling block single shots - The Real Marlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.