Risky Rick Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I'm new to cowboy shooting, and at my first shoot other cowboys thought my loads were heavy so i'm in the hunt to try and find a good lighter load recipe for 12GA cowboy shooting, I have clays powder, many remington gun club hulls, claybuster CB8118-12 (fig8) wads. I'm not against purchasing different items if need be. I need help form all the experienced cowboys and cowgirls out there in developing that perfect load recipe. I do believe you can't list load data on this forum, but if you could PM me with them it would be most helpful Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 17gn of Unique and 3/4-1oz of shot works great in every 12ga I have used it in. You can list data....... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 7/8 oz of shot, gun club hulls, Winchester or Claybuster gray wads, Winchester 209 primer and about 15gr clays should do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Solo Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 said: 7/8 oz of shot, gun club hulls, Winchester or Claybuster gray wads, Winchester 209 primer and about 15gr clays should do the job. +1 This is about what I use as well. I have the #26 mec bushing which is 14.5-14.7 of clays or so. Unless someone specifically tells me to pay attention its indistinguishable from AA Low Noise/Recoil for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Thornton Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, El Cubano said: +1 This is about what I use as well. I have the #26 mec bushing which is 14.5-14.7 of clays or so. Unless someone specifically tells me to pay attention its indistinguishable from AA Low Noise/Recoil for me. I use the #24 same recipe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Well, +4 to the Clays, 7/8 oz shot, gray wad. I used 14.5gr. I used Gray AA hulls just to keep them separate from others. This was in a Lee LoadAll II, don't know which bushing I used. I don't load smokeless anymore, but these felt a lot like The Winchester Low Noise Low Recoil shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 BTW, I mentioned Clays since that's what the OP has, but when Clays was hard to get, I started using Clay Dot and never looked back. It's cheaper, less temperature sensitive and I load using the same data by weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Clays Superlite shotshell: AA or Remington Hull Win 209 Primer 13.9 grains Clays (MEC #25) grey wad 7/8 ounce shot Lighter than a featherlite shell Knocks 'em down every time I load these for my wife, but I use them too, when I shoot smokeless --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Cross, SASS #13848 L Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 said: 7/8 oz of shot, gun club hulls, Winchester or Claybuster gray wads, Winchester 209 primer and about 15gr clays should do the job. Yup, my load too. Been using it for 20 years. I use Rem STS and Win AA with Claybuster or Win gray wads and the #27 bushing in my MEC Jr. Can't tell them from Featherlites when I use them. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col. Cornelius Gilliam, SASS#5875TG Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 For published 3/4 oz loads with the claybusters CB0175-12 pink 3/4 oz wad, see: https://www.claybusterwads.com/index.php/winchester-style/53-cb0175-12-load-data I have tried several of the Clays and Red Dot loads for my wife and son. Work great for them. The wad is specifically designed for 3/4 oz loads and you can produce great/proper crimps with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choctaw Jack Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Win AA (grey)hulls 13.4 gr.Claydot 3/4 oz. #7/12or#8 shot 209 primer (Win. ,Cheddite or Fed.) Claybuster grey wad Handles KD targets just fine,very light recoil Choctaw Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Chance Morgun Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I use the same as Choctaw Jack. Works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 My old standby smokeless load is STS Hull, gray wad, 7/8 oz shot, Winchester 209, mec #26 of clays or claydot. I’ve also used a #28 busing with good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Chance Morgun Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 12 hours ago, Straight Arrow Hombre said: My old standby smokeless load is STS Hull, gray wad, 7/8 oz shot, Winchester 209, mec #26 of clays or claydot. I’ve also used a #28 busing with good results. CAUTION: When using Clays and Claydot go by weight, not bushing size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 On 5/11/2019 at 11:46 AM, Marshal Chance Morgun said: CAUTION: When using Clays and Claydot go by weight, not bushing size. I just weighed both dropped from a MEC 28 bushing. Clay dot was 15.4 grains and Clays was 15.5 grains. My lot of clays is Australian production, so not the current Canadian manufactured Clays. My Clay Dot is a couple of years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 was good shooting with you RR,, I use 13 gr of clays, by weight, 7/8 oz of shot with gray claybuster wad,,, in AAs or STSs... cheddite 209 primer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 OLG’s recipe using Unique works fine, and he has Unique recipes for rifle and revolver as well. Nice boom and a little smoke as bonuses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Winchester has a great recipe... AA12FL8. Stock up during their $2.00/box rebate in the fall and have fun all year! Then... using a #43 MEC bushing, 2F Goex, a Claybuster CB1138-12 wad, 7/8 oz of #9 shot, and have even more fun the next year!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slow Mo Dern Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Hi Risky Rick, Welcome to SASS and to Cowboy Action! Use what Prairie Dawg said in his post and you can't go wrong. You can bust clay birds, shoot knock-downs, and even get a rabbit with this load. I've been using it for years and so have a bunch of other folks I shoot with. I call it the Prairie Dawg Lite Load. I hope this helps. Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Mentioned so far: Bushing# - weight 24 - ? 25 - 13.9 26- 14.5-14.7 27 - "~15" 28 - ? All were with pretty much the same other elements. There must be a better way to measure effectiveness and what to recommend other than " works for me". Not sure I want to risk my chronograph testing a shotgun. I have never used it. Anyway, I have an unopened jar of Clays and figure I will use it up with the median advice to use MEC # 26 at a bit under 15 gr., but #25 at 13.9 might be just the ticket and worth testing. The wallop we get when firing the gun seems to be the only subjective metric used here other than yes, it knocks down targets and gets clay bird bonuses. When I look at load data for 7/8 oz of shot, say using Win AA hulls, I look for velocity hovering around 1200. I have never seen published data that goes below that, closer to specs for Win AA new shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Magtech All Brass Hulls, Magnum Large primers, 50Gr APP, 10Ga wad, 1Oz Shot. Super FUN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 7 hours ago, Roscoe Regulator said: I look for velocity hovering around 1200 Somewhere back in the dark ages I recall hearing that 1200 fps in a shotshell load was considered the magic number for getting adequate penetration and bone breaking on game animals. I think that is the reason why we don't see many loading charts giving recipes for slower moving loads. If you are encountering a lot of clay bird targets the 1200 fps load is ideal. But I suspect shot charges traveling at somewhat slower speeds would probably still take down most of our cowboy targets. The problem with many powders is that they require a certain minimum pressure for burning reliably. If you go below the minimum powder charge the results can become erratic and possibly dangerous. I have spoken with the folks at Hodgdon on the phone several times about "off the chart" recipes. They have always given me their lab results for absolute minimum powder charges for their powders and a specific shot volume. In my opinion, anyone considering a recipe lighter than what is shown in publicly available data should contact the powder manufacturer before going off the chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 PLUS ONE to J-BAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Somewhere back in the dark ages I recall hearing that 1200 fps in a shotshell load was considered the magic number for getting adequate penetration and bone breaking on game animals. I think that is the reason why we don't see many loading charts giving recipes for slower moving loads. If you are encountering a lot of clay bird targets the 1200 fps load is ideal. But I suspect shot charges traveling at somewhat slower speeds would probably still take down most of our cowboy targets. The problem with many powders is that they require a certain minimum pressure for burning reliably. If you go below the minimum powder charge the results can become erratic and possibly dangerous. I have spoken with the folks at Hodgdon on the phone several times about "off the chart" recipes. They have always given me their lab results for absolute minimum powder charges for their powders and a specific shot volume. In my opinion, anyone considering a recipe lighter than what is shown in publicly available data should contact the powder manufacturer before going off the chart. That is why I worked my load out with a Hodgdon Tech over the phone. --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 14.5 grs. Clays, 1 oz #7 shot, Winchester AA shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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