Sedalia Dave Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 What Couldn’t the F-4 Phantom Do? A tribute to McDonnell’s masterpiece fighter jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Any particular reason that that US Navy bird has got a rising sun on the vertical stab? Pretty sure that's not our emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Kid #4631 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 VF-111 Sun Downers, USS Coral Sea. Squadrons logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 A later pic of that emblem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 By what I understand, it couldn't conserve fuel very well. Otherwise, quite the machine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Glide. Yeah, The Book said six nautical miles for every 5,000 feet of altitude. But pilots were advised to bail out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 It’s a plane that looks like it means business. I have a friend who was a Phantom driver and an airline pilot later. One year when the Reno air races were going on I asked him if he ever did any air racing. ” Only when I was trying to get out of North Vietnam airspace”, he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 The Navy wasn’t the only branch to use it for ground attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 We had a magistrate here that flew the Wild Weasel variant. He didn't talk about his experiences much, other than in the most general terms. He did say he decided practicing law seemed to be a safer profession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted April 16, 2019 Author Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, DocWard said: We had a magistrate here that flew the Wild Weasel variant. He didn't talk about his experiences much, other than in the most general terms. He did say he decided practicing law seemed to be a safer profession. Playing in traffic is probably a lot safer than being in the seat on a wild weasel mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Make a decent cup of Coffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Major Crimes said: Make a decent cup of Coffee I guess you haven’t seen the Chief’s Special! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawhorse Kid Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 It was once described as a tank with wings. It could get shot to pieces and still fly home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 It couldn't shoot back with a gun! It didn't have one unless it was strapped to the belly. (B, C, and D models only) Let's see..... The sparrow missiles wouldn't track and the heat seekers would only work 25% of the time. None of this is the planes fault, just everything that was attached to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawhorse Kid Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: It couldn't shoot back with a gun! It didn't have one unless it was strapped to the belly. (B, C, and D models only) E models had an internal 20mm vulcan cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Glide. The F-4 was living proof you can make a brick fly if you strapped enough engine to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulp, SASS#28319 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 My bro in law was a F-4 mechanic in VietNam. They came back with lots of damage. My brother was a recon platoon leader in VietNam. They watched from a hill as F-4s were bombing in the valley below. An old Vietnamese would stand up from the grass and shoot at them with a bolt action rifle. They were laughing at the old man. They quit laughing when one of the F-4s starting trailing smoke from the engine. Lucky shot? Sure it was luck, but every once in awhile luck rolls around, good for the old man, bad for the pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Some folks say you could see the smoke trail from those J79s long before you could see the F4 itself!! “It couldn’t sneak up on anything!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 For some reason there's no sound, but you don't really need it. The opening scene from Air America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I know nothing about the F-4 I thought this was about Our Phantom ! 1. Chastise 2. Ridicule 3. Reprimand 4. Degread 5. Disagree 6. Argue 7. Agitate 8. Irritate 9. Kick a dead horse 10. And Be Your Pard all at the same time ! Just giving you a hard time Phantom . I could Not pass up the opportunity. Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 20 hours ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: It couldn't shoot back with a gun! It didn't have one unless it was strapped to the belly. I guess they expected you to open the canopy, pull out your mighty .45 and strafe 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eye Jim Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Run silent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 I got to see the Angels once when they were flyin' 'em. Good show, considering they weren't all that nimble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: I got to see the Angels once when they were flyin' 'em. Good show, considering they weren't all that nimble! I got to see them as Thunderbirds before they switched to the T-38s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: I got to see them as Thunderbirds before they switched to the T-38s I believe the Phantom was the only model flown by both teams... Saw the Angels twice last month. Wow... they've had Hornets for over thirty years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ball Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 The Japanese just retired their last F-4s. The squadrons are transitioning to...the F-35! I can't imagine what a leap that must be for all involved, and in every way imaginable. For further nerdery, take a look at the article below. It discusses attempted and executed upgrades to the F-4. The concept and history are relevant as the USAF moves toward procuring the F-15X and the USMC invests money in putting AESA radars in legacy Hornets. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/1980s-israel-developed-heavy-hammer-f-4-super-phantom-what-happened-44702 Awesome jet. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 23 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Some folks say you could see the smoke trail from those J79s long before you could see the F4 itself!! “It couldn’t sneak up on anything!” Dishwater, one sure snuck up on me! During my first tour in Fulda, W. Germany (1966-1969), I was an E-4 just coming off gate guard duty at my HAWK missile battery tactical site. An F-4 passed over me at telephone pole high altitude. I didn't hear a thing until he passed over my head. Put me face down in the dirt. (Now, if you don't believe the rest of my story, I understand. I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't seen it.) The F-4 kicked in its afterburners and shot straight up. Blew out the plexiglass windows of our Ready Building and set the burlap camouflage netting we had over our control vans to actually start smoldering. We had a warrant officer, who was a Korean War combat infantry veteran (3 Purple Hearts and a Silver Star), that was our Tactical Control Officer for that day and he sent us to Battle Stations. I was manning Continuous Wave Acquisition Radar (CWAR) console in the Battery Control Central (BCC) and I was right next to Mr. Wooden. Both firing sections had target locks and fire lights lit. Chief Wooden got on the horn to Wasserkuppe (Air Force Command) told them if that F-4 made another approach on our location, "I'll take self-defense measures and shoot that bastard out of the sky!" Nobody in the unit doubted Mr. Wooden wouldn't have done just that and shot that bastard out of the sky. An F-4 might out fly one HAWK missile, but it won't out fly two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Chantilly Shooter said: The Japanese just retired their last F-4s. The squadrons are transitioning to...the F-35! I can't imagine what a leap that must be for all involved, and in every way imaginable. For further nerdery, take a look at the article below. It discusses attempted and executed upgrades to the F-4. The concept and history are relevant as the USAF moves toward procuring the F-15X and the USMC invests money in putting AESA radars in legacy Hornets. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/1980s-israel-developed-heavy-hammer-f-4-super-phantom-what-happened-44702 Awesome jet. Thanks for sharing. The F-4EJ Kai, as it is called in Japanese service, remains an effective interceptor and strike aircraft. The Japanese upgraded the avionics, computers and software to at least F-16 A/B standards. So while the air frame and engine are still late 1950's technology, the important stuff is 1990's technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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