Ozark Okie Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 It started when I bought a Hawes/Sauer Western Marshall at a local club sale day. Continued with a second one from Gunbroker, shot my first event with them this past weekend. I really like the guns in spite of their shortcomings...long hammer stroke, recessed cylinders (using my home made dowel rod) , etc. One of the guns has a problem with very light trigger pull; afraid it's the premature hammer, trigger wear that I've read about. (I think I can hear the chorus singing "been there, done that"). I'm including a set of pictures showing hammer and trigger wear surfaces. For reference, the pistol in a 357 mag, serial 8496/3...what I think is referred to as the large frame model....the hammer pivot hole measures .222 in, trigger hole .169. hand pivot/hole .077. Two questions - hopefully the pictures show enough detail to help answer them - is there enough material on the end of the trigger for me to file a new flat surface? - is there a recommended source if its determined that I need a new hammer and trigger? Thanks for any suggestions/advice. OO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 My suggestion would be to send it to a good gunsmith to get the shelf repaired and all parts hardened so they will last longer. Most folks can't successfully harden metal parts themselves. If necessary, material can be added to the worn areas with a TIG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The hammer notch isn't that bad but the trigger is completely rounded off and is unsafe. I'm surprised it holds the hammer back at all. If it was mine I would re-cut the trigger and try hardening it, but that is me. If you don't have some sort of sear cutting fixture it can be very problematic getting the right angle on the sear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Okie Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 Gentlemen, thank you for your replies. I am looking for a gunsmith who could do the repair, rebuild. Its been pointed out to me that I could easily spend more than the gun is worth. I won't shoot the gun the way it is, but if worst came to worst, I might attempt the trigger filing and hardening myself. Springfield, if you were doing the job yourself would it require special equipment for heating, quenching, tempering? There are videos online that provide the basic steps. I know a special fixture would be required to get the right angle on the trigger. Thanks again to both of you. I really appreciate the feedback. OO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 PLUS ONE to Springfield Slim. The Full Cock Ledge on the hammer is not wonderful. The trigger is .... KAPUT. Removing enough metal from the trigger to give you a good sear may well extend hammer travel too far. I might first look at a trigger from Uberti, or Pietta to see if I could modify to work. Then recut the full cock ledge to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 OK, I did a little looking around and found some parts. These are from a 22, but IIRC it shares the large frame. They made two different ones, a small frame with one piece trigger guard/backstrap and the large frame that they are separate. At any rate the hammer and trigger look fine, I'll throw in the hand in case yours has a different diameter pin. PM me your address and I'll get them on the way to Nawlins. Hopefully this will cure your ills. No charge, pass on a good deed to the next fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Enuff Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Correct me if I'm wrong here... but Numrich lists the Large Frame and Western Marshall (see large frame). Aren't these new and/or used parts for you guns?: https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/hawes https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/hawes/large-frame-haw Looks like you could have a new hammer and trigger for $41 and $15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Okie Posted March 20, 2019 Author Share Posted March 20, 2019 Coffinmaker, Goody, Fast Enuff - thank you all for your feedback. Looking at a Uberti, Pietta to modify might be an option. I did look at the Numrich large frame schematic, couldn't determine that the hammer and trigger combination would work for me, because of hole diameters in hammer and trigger, and pin diameter on the hand...and replacement hand is not available. If I do have to, I'll get whatever seems closest and be prepared to modify to fit. Goody, you may well be my salvation...thank you very much. PM sent. And thanks to all of you for helping. OO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Gun Parts will match up the parts you need if you send them your old ones. Also VTI told me that EMFs Great Western is the same as your Hawes pistols. If they are not exact fit mite be close so you could fit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Okie Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Bailey Creek, thanks. I didn't realize that Numrich Gun Parts would match up parts if I send the old ones...makes sense that they could. Good to know. Also didn't realize the EMF Great Western is the same as my Hawes/Sauer Western Marshall. I do have a lead on the parts for my gun, but if it doesn't work out, I'll check into the Great Western; other good Colt clones with the 4 click hammer set up may be possibilities, too. Thanks again. OO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Current Great Western parts will not work. I couldn't say about the original Great Westerns made here. Those have a whole nuther story and lineage and did lead to the Hy Hunters, which begat the Hawes, Sauer, Weinrich. Parts went in the mail on Thursday afternoon. hopefully they'll fit and you won't need to worry with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Okie Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Thank you, Goody. Appreciate your help. OO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 WOW-That is some 'soft' steel for sure. Very common issue, with those guns. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Okie Posted March 24, 2019 Author Share Posted March 24, 2019 Sure 'nuff, it does seem to be soft. I have a replacement trigger coming.....wish I knew how to harden it. OO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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