Three Foot Johnson Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Why would they repair such a thing instead of replacing it? It doesn't seem cost or time effective. Parts shortage, maybe? It shoots GREAT! My first shot produced a one hole, 150 yard group measuring a mere .308". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 10 hours ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: Why would they repair such a thing instead of replacing it? It doesn't seem cost or time effective. Parts shortage, maybe? Maybe it was a generational thing when things were fixed rather than just replaced or thrown away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 3/11/2019 at 1:11 PM, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: WOOWOOOO! Springfield, May 1945, 1+/1+. FedEx was 4 minutes late (not that I was watching the clock... much...), so I told them they owe me a free pizza. Did anyone else notice that his Garand looks smaller than normal? Scaled down model... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 hours ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: Why would they repair such a thing instead of replacing it? It doesn't seem cost or time effective. Parts shortage, maybe? It shoots GREAT! My first shot produced a one hole, 150 yard group measuring a mere .308". Repaired stocks were done at depot level. They would be placed in inventory and used to repair damaged rifles coming in from the theaters. As I understand it the big armories were cranking out MIs at breakneck speed and didn’t have a ton of spare stocks. So if it was repairable the depot ordnance folks did it. The Ogden Army Depot in Utah did a lot or repairs. Some of the ones Ikve seen were really done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Carolina Gunslinger said: Did anyone else notice that his Garand looks smaller than normal? Scaled down model... That's been mentioned before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Repaired stocks were done at depot level. They would be placed in inventory and used to repair damaged rifles coming in from the theaters. As I understand it the big armories were cranking out MIs at breakneck speed and didn’t have a ton of spare stocks. So if it was repairable the depot ordnance folks did it. The Ogden Army Depot in Utah did a lot or repairs. Some of the ones Ikve seen were really done well. It has the RRAD stamp on the stock. Cameras are very critical - the repair isn't nearly as crude as the pictures make it appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: That's been mentioned before... I was looking at the hands wrapping easily around the rifle. You look like you could fire it one handed. I sure hope you enjoy your rifle. They are fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 A word of caution, J Bar. Those Garands have a way of growing on you. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine, and I am certain you will/do. What would this world be like if we never had had, John Browning or John Garand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Another crack repair I found online - a Philippine return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grenadier Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I believe it was Ernie Pyle who mentioned the weapons repair depots in Normandy. These guys were not to far behind the lines salvaging what they could to get it back into service ASPAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Carolina Gunslinger said: Did anyone else notice that his Garand looks smaller than normal? Scaled down model... I've got its opposite, a large-scale version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Sixgun Sheridan said: I've got its opposite, a large-scale version. Me too, Sixgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugler Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 So what did they finally send to you anyway? Bugler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pill Roller, SASS #77160 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Very nice! Love my M-1s fun to shoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Pick up a copy of the M-1 Does my Talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 14 hours ago, Carolina Gunslinger said: Pick up a copy of the M-1 Does my Talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 That's GREAT, UB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: This bears the question...Which man is more ready? Bob's action is closed. Is he already loaded and decieving us? Or is he way behind the curve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Great numbers. Re-barreled? My HRA was rebarreled in 65. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share Posted March 14, 2019 Barrel is also Springfield, but is dated July of '63. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 hours ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: Barrel is also Springfield, but is dated July of '63. That explains it’s excellent numbers. Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouchy Spike Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Congratulations, JBB! I'm betting that you won't be solo for very long When you are ready to shoot cast bullets, Dusty Boddams has a recipe that you may already know about: 170 gr Sil GC bullet (from Norm Purcella 575-703-0391); IMR 4895 35.8gr; Winchester or CCI 34 primer. Velocity is about 1850 fps. Adjust the powder weight up or down slightly to tune to your individual M1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 Enough snow has melted that I was finally able to walk out to the hundred yard line and hang up a target. Using the aforementioned load of 46.0 grains IMR-4895, Thunder Mountain 150 grain FMJ BT match bullets, CCI-200, and mixed milsurp brass, the first three were about 15" high and 2 1/2" right... and 3 1/2" + across. I kept going down and left til the elevation bottomed out, but the group was still about 1" high. Groups were disappointing, with the best 3 shot group just under 2" and the worst around , still with round holes though, but there's a very plausible explanation for the groups. I set up the Chrony at 16' from the muzzle, and it showed quite erratic velocities, with a low of 2436 fps and a high of 2613 fps, for an average of 2502 fps, and a whopping 177 fps spread. IIRC from my reading over the past month, the military spec'd the load at 50 grains IMR4895/147 grain FMJ, with a target velocity of 2747 fps, so I'm 250 fps low. That could easily account for the poor accuracy and the high point of impact. I probably just need a lot more steam behind the bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 2 hours ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: Enough snow has melted that I was finally able to walk out to the hundred yard line and hang up a target. Using the aforementioned load of 46.0 grains IMR-4895, Thunder Mountain 150 grain FMJ BT match bullets, CCI-200, and mixed milsurp brass, the first three were about 15" high and 2 1/2" right... and 3 1/2" + across. I kept going down and left til the elevation bottomed out, but the group was still about 1" high. Groups were disappointing, with the best 3 shot group just under 2" and the worst around , still with round holes though, but there's a very plausible explanation for the groups. I set up the Chrony at 16' from the muzzle, and it showed quite erratic velocities, with a low of 2436 fps and a high of 2613 fps, for an average of 2502 fps, and a whopping 177 fps spread. IIRC from my reading over the past month, the military spec'd the load at 50 grains IMR4895/147 grain FMJ, with a target velocity of 2747 fps, so I'm 250 fps low. That could easily account for the poor accuracy and the high point of impact. I probably just need a lot more steam behind the bullet. That’s the same powder charge and bullet weight I use. Not sure why you’re getting that much variation in mv. My velocities were pretty consistent at 25 something. Chrono is broke so I can’t recheck now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 Well, I'm somewhat disappointed. I worked up to 48.0 grains IMR4895 today with the same piss-poor groups, and ridiculous spreads. At 48 grains, I'm still getting an average of only 2654 fps, with a spread of 150.3 fps - hi/2758, lo/2608. IMR4064 and/or 168's next. If that doesn't work, Varget. If that doesn't work, sell it and order another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 51 minutes ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: Well, I'm somewhat disappointed. I worked up to 48.0 grains IMR4895 today with the same piss-poor groups, and ridiculous spreads. At 48 grains, I'm still getting an average of only 2654 fps, with a spread of 150.3 fps - hi/2758, lo/2608. IMR4064 and/or 168's next. If that doesn't work, Varget. If that doesn't work, sell it and order another one. sound like you may have got a bad barrel on that one. I expect you will need to order again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 The situation did not improve with IMR4064, but I did get the avg velocity up to where it should be. 2738 avg, hi/2774, lo 2684 for a spread of 90 fps. Ridiculous groups of around 6" still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 12 hours ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: The situation did not improve with IMR4064, but I did get the avg velocity up to where it should be. 2738 avg, hi/2774, lo 2684 for a spread of 90 fps. Ridiculous groups of around 6" still. Slug the bore abd see what the diameter actually is. I know you are shooting jacketed bullets but the theories still apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.J. Bones SASS# 75616 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Measure the bullet diameters. They may not all be the same. I once had a batch of bullets that measured .307 they shot just like what you are talking about. When shooting for groups use all the same manufacture and date of brass. Does the rifle lock up tight in the stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 7, 2019 Author Share Posted April 7, 2019 The barrel slug measures exactly 0.3080", as do the Thunder Mountain 150 grain match BT bullets and the Nosler 168 grain HPBT match bullets, the crown looks good under magnification, and everything is tight, except the short fore end piece between the sling swivel and stacking swivel has a little play. The wind is blowing like hell today, so I haven't been able to step out the door and try the 168's yet. I emailed CMP to ask what my options are - I would expect the answer to be something along the lines of "within acceptable parameters for a WWII battle rifle". Some browsing on the CMP Garand forum this morning seems to indicate the average CMP M1 will be in the neighborhood of 4-5", and military acceptance being "far worse", but with no parameters given, so maybe I'm making too much ado over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 I want to follow this. I'm in Canada and was looking at a Fulton Armories product, but recent political developments, (talk of banning semis and handguns) made me forget about buying the Garand and instead, donating the money to an opposition party, who doesn't think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted April 8, 2019 Author Share Posted April 8, 2019 OK, this is much more acceptable. NRA recommended M1 load (excuse me, MODEL 1) of 47.0 grains IMR4895/168 grain Nosler HPBT match bullet, CCI200 primers, 100 yards. First group from a clean barrel, 2 7/8" - sight adjustment - second group, 1 13/16" - sight adjustment - third group, 1 15/16". Tough to beat that with battle sights and not practicing regularly. Apparently, it's the Thunder Mountain 150 grain BT match bullets that aren't cooperating. Maybe I'll try some flat base 150's. No chrono data yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 On 4/7/2019 at 1:54 PM, J Bar Binks, #47015 said: The barrel slug measures exactly 0.3080", as do the Thunder Mountain 150 grain match BT bullets and the Nosler 168 grain HPBT match bullets, the crown looks good under magnification, and everything is tight, except the short fore end piece between the sling swivel and stacking swivel has a little play. The wind is blowing like hell today, so I haven't been able to step out the door and try the 168's yet. I emailed CMP to ask what my options are - I would expect the answer to be something along the lines of "within acceptable parameters for a WWII battle rifle". Some browsing on the CMP Garand forum this morning seems to indicate the average CMP M1 will be in the neighborhood of 4-5", and military acceptance being "far worse", but with no parameters given, so maybe I'm making too much ado over nothing. It’s supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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