Tyrel Cody Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 For those of us that haven't seen it in operation: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 and begin, should be good for a page or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Major Crimes said: and begin, should be good for a page or two Well I hope it doesn't start an argument. I posted this as informative as I didn't know what this feature actually looked like until this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 This video shows the inside parts in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 This has really helped Pietta sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Randy Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 So are these the three click Ubertis while the older version is four clicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 As someone who hasn't been paying attention while this was cussed and discussed over the past little while, what's the problem? Does it not work? Is it harder to get a good feeling action? Can you just put some sort of spacer in the hammer and replace the firing pin with one the proper length to work with that spacer? For that matter just drill the hammer and insert a drift pin like there has always been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I used them most of last season and never even knew I had them. Never an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I have them and could not make them work. Could not get them to lock up fast enough to go off with any reliability. Took out the interlock and put in a spacer to force the firing pin to stay out, but still had issues with the three click. Finally replaced the hammers with old style 4 click and now I can run them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I have one as a backup, I've shot about 300 rounds through it no problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I have one as a backup, I've shot about 300 rounds through it no problems! I have to ask, would you trust it at a state or higher match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: I have to ask, would you trust it at a state or higher match? I have 6 others so I probably would never have to use it but I would as a backup only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: I have to ask, would you trust it at a state or higher match? Shot mine in the West Virginia state match last fall. No issues. I wouldn’t hesitate to do it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I had some in 44-40 and they worked fine for me all last season, both in monthlies and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Dobbs Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 So can you still get the models without the retractable firing pin? And if not, if this is a new law in Italy as someone said somewhere, does Pietta now only make the transfer bar models? Anyone know? Just curious BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Buckshot Dobbs said: So can you still get the models without the retractable firing pin? And if not, if this is a new law in Italy as someone said somewhere, does Pietta now only make the transfer bar models? Anyone know? Just curious BD Unless a store has some unsold older Uberti Cattleman models squirreled away, or you order black-powder frame models (screw securing the cylinder pin), from Cimarron, the retractable firing pin models are it. Everybody seems to be sold out of the old-style hammers; Cimmaron, Taylors and VTI Gun parts. There was a bit of a run on them when retractable-firing-pin models came out. I don't know if anyone else will pick up the mantle on these. Pietta revolvers are available with and without the Transfer Bars. Some states will only allow sales of guns that can pass a "drop-test" with a round under the hammer. I don't believe Arkansas is one of them, so you can order some sweet Piettas from EMF and have them sent to your FFL. Or, have your FFL order them for you. As long as you can show them which ones you want. EMF has a lot of barrel, grip-frame, and finish options in the Pietta Great Western II and Alchemista line. Another option from Uberti would be the "1858" conversions. No retractable firing pin, no transfer bar. I don't know about their other conversion revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 The Uberti old model (BP Frame) guns are still available, for now anyway, with standard 4-click hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrider Outlaw Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I'm glad to have seen these videos. I have a pair of Running Irons that I got a year ago. I used them all last year including the Illinois/Indiana state match and the Michigan state match with no problems at all. I was doing some dry fire practice a few days ago using snap caps and that was the first time I had noticed that there was some play in the firing pins. I was afraid I had broken something but am relieved to see that it does not appear that anything is amiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 I don’t know if there’s a problem with function or they are not reliable. I have a friend that bought four and three had consistent light strikes. I bought one new uberti that had them and it felt really strange. I guess when you are used to a certain feel, then anything else is bothersome. I replaced mine with an old style hammer and trigger without any issue. Here are some pics of the hammer and trigger. I’m not the best photographer though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 As. I understand it, Uberti will not have any of the older triggers and hammers available going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Dobbs Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 18 hours ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said: As. I understand it, Uberti will not have any of the older triggers and hammers available going forward. So "going forward" I am guessing that sooner or later Pietta and Uberti both will make nothing but their extra safety models, (retractable firing pin or transfer bar models etc.)? BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 "Going forward," they'll be made and sold by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buckshot Dobbs said: So "going forward" I am guessing that sooner or later Pietta and Uberti both will make nothing but their extra safety models, (retractable firing pin or transfer bar models etc.)? BD It'll spawn a whole new cottage industry making replacement parts and cowboy gunsmith work-arounds. Look what Ron Power makes for the Ruger to make them work like Colts and defeat the transfer bar. The big picture. Probably Uberti won't suffer from the design change. It's probably something mandated in much of the world. A lot of people won't know or won't care about the change. I've seen some reviews that are delighted that they can carry 6. The big danger is that the next owner of a Uberti may assume they have a gun that can safely load 6 and it's been modified so it's not safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 For those with the key question(s). Past history of Uberti is uniform. When Uberti releases a design change to one of their guns, they (Uberti) no longer support the prior part. Case in point ... the retaining pin for the Firing Pin Extension was completely redesigned and replaced. If you need to replace a Breach Block (Bolt), you must now buy a "kit" which contains the redesigned bolt, retainer, firing pin, return spring and Extension Stop. You cannot buy "just" a Breach Block (Bolt). Uberti will no longer manufacture the old style hammer and trigger. Users will have to buy a "kit." that will include the new Hammer and all the new parts thereto and Trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourbon Doc Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Howdy Pards with above noted ..and limitations for parts ... . for those of us with old style cattleman’s .. You have me thinking about a “critical parts list for my pistols”.... .. what would you consider critical parts list for our shoot’n irons thanks boubon doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bourbon Doc said: Howdy Pards with above noted ..and limitations for parts ... . for those of us with old style cattleman’s .. You have me thinking about a “critical parts list for my pistols”.... .. what would you consider critical parts list for our shoot’n irons thanks boubon doc Just get duplicate guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourbon Doc Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Thank!!!??? mo money ! mo guns !!! THANKS PARD BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 While lots of parts in single actions, including hammers, are subject to wear or damage, I think it would be correct to say that the vast majority of CAS shooters will never need to replace a hammer because of wear or damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: While lots of parts in single actions, including hammers, are subject to wear or damage, I think it would be correct to say that the vast majority of CAS shooters will never need to replace a hammer because of wear or damage. But, but, but, Abilene..............The sky is falling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 On 2/24/2019 at 8:28 AM, Outrider Outlaw said: I'm glad to have seen these videos. I have a pair of Running Irons that I got a year ago. I used them all last year including the Illinois/Indiana state match and the Michigan state match with no problems at all. I was doing some dry fire practice a few days ago using snap caps and that was the first time I had noticed that there was some play in the firing pins. I was afraid I had broken something but am relieved to see that it does not appear that anything is amiss. How can you use a pair of 6 guns a whole season and not notice that they didn't have a safety notch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 According to what I can understand from Cimarron's website, the four click models will still be offered in the "old model", or "black powder frame models". So it seems if you prefer the old traditional hammer, with the non-retractable firing pin, and four clicks, you can still obtain one, if you buy the old model, or black powder frame models. If I understood Cimarron's website correctly, then that is a good thing, for those of us that are NOT interested in this retractable firing pin model revolver. I am all about choice, so this is a good thing, if true. My Two Bits. W.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 Just now, Waxahachie Kid #17017 L said: According to what I can understand from Cimarron's website, the four click models will still be offered in the "old model", or "black powder frame models". So it seems if you prefer the old traditional hammer, with the non-retractable firing pin, and four clicks, you can still obtain one, if you buy the old model, or black powder frame models. If I understood Cimarron's website correctly, then that is a good thing, for those of us that are NOT interested in this retractable firing pin model revolver. I am all about choice, so this is a good thing, if true. My Two Bits. W.K. If that is truly the case, then one would would think replacement hammers/triggers for those guns would be available as well and should fit the new guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: If that is truly the case, then one would would think replacement hammers/triggers for those guns would be available as well and should fit the new guns. The question is how long they’ll be available. I had some on backorder for about six months before getting them. Apparently uberti is planning to phase the new system into the bp guns as well and that’ll be it. At least until they switch again to another system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Here is the quote from Cimarron's website: "Cimarron also offers a modern 3 click safety hammer on select models for those who are more concerned with safety than authenticity. You can find the modern safety on recent pre-war framed model P's. Cimarron's old model revolvers as well as all Frontier models, still feature the classic 4 click action." As I understand it, the "Frontier" models are not made my Uberti, but are made by Pedersoli. That being the case, Pedersoli has not committed to this retractable firing pin design....yet. I would also like to add that the "old model", or "black-powder frame" models, do NOT have the butt-ugly medallion inserted in the wooden grips, like the other models do. The "old model", or "black-powder model" revolvers come with a one-piece wood grip, with NO medallion. The Cimarron website has a comparison page that shows the differences between the "black-powder frame" models and the "smokeless frame" models, for those that do not know, or for liberal politicians, as the case may be. So...two reasons to purchase the "old model", or "black powder frame model", if you prefer the standard non-retractable firing pin, and you don't like the gold colored Cimarron medallion, inserted in the grips. I have no idea how long Uberti will offer this option. The Cimarron website did not say. There ya go. My Two Bits W.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Lane, SASS #12257 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 The Frontier Models are Pietta, not Pedersoli. Pietta will most likely continue with the real firing pin and four clicks models as they continue with the fine Great Western II revolvers from EMF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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