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Muzzle Brakes - what are they for?


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15 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Reduces felt/visible recoil by redirecting the gases.

OLG

 

OLG:

     Correct my friend.

     The key is to re-direct the gases as seen in this thermal-image: :o

 

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11 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said:

 

OLG:

     Correct my friend.

     The key is to re-direct the gases as seen in this thermal-image: :o

 

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Not sure about 'recoil' in that picture-:lol:

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The reason muzzle brakes on various large artillery pieces appear to be different or not there at all, depends on the design. The purpose, as OLG stated is to reduce felt recoil by redirecting the gases that exit the barrel behind the projectile.  Some folks use muzzle brakes on bigbore rifles and even some pistols. However, the redirected gases can INCREASE the noise the shooter experiences!

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1 hour ago, Alpo said:

I believe their main purpose is to annoy the shooters beside you.

 

The last time I went to the indoor range was a few weeks ago, and I had my Old West guns with me. The dude next to me had a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a side-venting muzzle break on it. Every time he fired the blast tried to blow the targets off my bench and it rattled me. I've been thinking about telling the range staff to designate certain lanes to these people or else come up with better lane dividers.

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Booom !:D

With the necessary bore evacuator.

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Good info for the layman but the rater animated perfesser could slow his rate of fire (speech) down just a tad. I feel like I just had a Red Bull or two after listening to him.

 

(Of course I've never actually had a Red  bull but I imagine the effect would be similar)

Roger 3 Charlie.

Cheerio old boy. :lol:

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3 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Why some tanks and artillery have them and why others do not.

 

 

May I borrowed your signature line concerning socialism?

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46 minutes ago, Noz said:

May I borrowed your signature line concerning socialism?

 

“You can vote yourself into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it”

 

Sounds like the communist Chinese. They got everybody to join in on the armed revolution, then afterwards they quickly took everybody's guns away in case anyone changed their mind.

 

P.S. sorry for the off-topic commentary. We now resume our regularly-scheduled muzzle breaks and the annoying people who use them thread.

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Back to the topic.

 

I cant watch the video at work so here is my 2 cents.

 

One of the biggest issues for Tank design is "SPACE".

 

To fit everything in you need a big unit, to protect that big unit you need a lot of Armour, which makes the unit bigger (and heavier), to make the bigger unit mobile you need a bigger engine, which makes it bigger again, which means more armour............................................. and so on.

 

It is what is known as the Triumvirate of Tank Design- MOBILITY, FIREPOWER, PROTECTION.

 

Everytime you increase one it affects the others.

 

So why the Muzzle Break?

 

If you can reduce the length of recoil of your gun you can decrease the size of the turret- less armour, less weight more mobility, and so on.

 

So why dont all Tanks have muzzle breaks?

 

Muzzle Breaks can be problematic with some types of rounds. E.G. Discarding Sabot rounds (the most effective tank killing round) have a nasty habit of discarding their sabots in the muzzle break and tearing the end of the gun off:blush: You can reduce this risk with lower velocity rounds and different designs but the best anti tank round is a heavy, dense projectile travelling really fast. The best way to do that is a smoothbore large calibre gun with high pressures and no muzzle break.

 

Something like this pic

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Major Crimes said:

Back to the topic.

 

I cant watch the video at work so here is my 2 cents.

 

One of the biggest issues for Tank design is "SPACE".

 

To fit everything in you need a big unit, to protect that big unit you need a lot of Armour, which makes the unit bigger (and heavier), to make the bigger unit mobile you need a bigger engine, which makes it bigger again, which means more armour............................................. and so on.

 

It is what is known as the Triumvirate of Tank Design- MOBILITY, FIREPOWER, PROTECTION.

 

Everytime you increase one it affects the others.

 

So why the Muzzle Break?

 

If you can reduce the length of recoil of your gun you can decrease the size of the turret- less armour, less weight more mobility, and so on.

 

So why dont all Tanks have muzzle breaks?

 

Muzzle Breaks can be problematic with some types of rounds. E.G. Discarding Sabot rounds (the most effective tank killing round) have a nasty habit of discarding their sabots in the muzzle break and tearing the end of the gun off:blush: You can reduce this risk with lower velocity rounds and different designs but the best anti tank round is a heavy, dense projectile travelling really fast. The best way to do that is a smoothbore large calibre gun with high pressures and no muzzle break.

 

Something like this pic

 

 

 

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The video is actually quite good. I hope you can watch it at home.

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2 hours ago, Noz said:

May I borrowed your signature line concerning socialism?

 

I would be honored. I found it on the internet. Wish I knew who the author was but I could never find out.

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4 hours ago, J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE said:

I always take my .30 carbine revolver to the indoor range to chase away people like that.

 

 

Ain't that the truth.   I once owned a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine and I swear, its the loudest

revolver I can recall shooting OR standing close to when somebody else fires it.

 

..........Widder

 

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Ten and a half inch Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. 200 gr JHP at 1730 fps NEEDS a muzzle brake. I used to shoot silhouette with it. The round was called a "Nosebleed" load. I am a recovering recoil junky. I wanted to have the pistol Magnaported but did not spend the money.

 

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16 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

 

Ain't that the truth.   I once owned a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine and I swear, its the loudest

revolver I can recall shooting OR standing close to when somebody else fires it.

 

..........Widder

 

 

The .30 Carbine round was designed to be fired out of a 16-18" barrel. I'd imagine that with a handgun there is a helluva lot of powder still burning as the bullet leaves the barrel.

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