Sedalia Dave Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Why some tanks and artillery have them and why others do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I believe their main purpose is to annoy the shooters beside you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, Alpo said: I believe their main purpose is to annoy the shooters beside you. +1000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Reduces felt/visible recoil by redirecting the gases. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Reduces felt/visible recoil by redirecting the gases. OLG OLG: Correct my friend. The key is to re-direct the gases as seen in this thermal-image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: OLG: Correct my friend. The key is to re-direct the gases as seen in this thermal-image: Not sure about 'recoil' in that picture- OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 The reason muzzle brakes on various large artillery pieces appear to be different or not there at all, depends on the design. The purpose, as OLG stated is to reduce felt recoil by redirecting the gases that exit the barrel behind the projectile. Some folks use muzzle brakes on bigbore rifles and even some pistols. However, the redirected gases can INCREASE the noise the shooter experiences! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On tanks, I suspect it is the redirection of noise that is the primary purpose, so as to frustrate the attempt to triangulate upon the sound of firing the weapon. Just a guess though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 31, 2019 Author Share Posted January 31, 2019 Watch the video and some of you may learn something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Alpo said: I believe their main purpose is to annoy the shooters beside you. The last time I went to the indoor range was a few weeks ago, and I had my Old West guns with me. The dude next to me had a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a side-venting muzzle break on it. Every time he fired the blast tried to blow the targets off my bench and it rattled me. I've been thinking about telling the range staff to designate certain lanes to these people or else come up with better lane dividers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 I always take my .30 carbine revolver to the indoor range to chase away people like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Booom !:D With the necessary bore evacuator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 To Damage the Guides Hearing ..... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Good info for the layman but the rater animated perfesser could slow his rate of fire (speech) down just a tad. I feel like I just had a Red Bull or two after listening to him. (Of course I've never actually had a Red bull but I imagine the effect would be similar) Roger 3 Charlie. Cheerio old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Why some tanks and artillery have them and why others do not. May I borrowed your signature line concerning socialism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, Noz said: May I borrowed your signature line concerning socialism? “You can vote yourself into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it” Sounds like the communist Chinese. They got everybody to join in on the armed revolution, then afterwards they quickly took everybody's guns away in case anyone changed their mind. P.S. sorry for the off-topic commentary. We now resume our regularly-scheduled muzzle breaks and the annoying people who use them thread. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Back to the topic. I cant watch the video at work so here is my 2 cents. One of the biggest issues for Tank design is "SPACE". To fit everything in you need a big unit, to protect that big unit you need a lot of Armour, which makes the unit bigger (and heavier), to make the bigger unit mobile you need a bigger engine, which makes it bigger again, which means more armour............................................. and so on. It is what is known as the Triumvirate of Tank Design- MOBILITY, FIREPOWER, PROTECTION. Everytime you increase one it affects the others. So why the Muzzle Break? If you can reduce the length of recoil of your gun you can decrease the size of the turret- less armour, less weight more mobility, and so on. So why dont all Tanks have muzzle breaks? Muzzle Breaks can be problematic with some types of rounds. E.G. Discarding Sabot rounds (the most effective tank killing round) have a nasty habit of discarding their sabots in the muzzle break and tearing the end of the gun off You can reduce this risk with lower velocity rounds and different designs but the best anti tank round is a heavy, dense projectile travelling really fast. The best way to do that is a smoothbore large calibre gun with high pressures and no muzzle break. Something like this pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Rose, SASS #45478 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Watch the video and some of you may learn something. I did and I did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 43 minutes ago, Major Crimes said: Back to the topic. I cant watch the video at work so here is my 2 cents. One of the biggest issues for Tank design is "SPACE". To fit everything in you need a big unit, to protect that big unit you need a lot of Armour, which makes the unit bigger (and heavier), to make the bigger unit mobile you need a bigger engine, which makes it bigger again, which means more armour............................................. and so on. It is what is known as the Triumvirate of Tank Design- MOBILITY, FIREPOWER, PROTECTION. Everytime you increase one it affects the others. So why the Muzzle Break? If you can reduce the length of recoil of your gun you can decrease the size of the turret- less armour, less weight more mobility, and so on. So why dont all Tanks have muzzle breaks? Muzzle Breaks can be problematic with some types of rounds. E.G. Discarding Sabot rounds (the most effective tank killing round) have a nasty habit of discarding their sabots in the muzzle break and tearing the end of the gun off You can reduce this risk with lower velocity rounds and different designs but the best anti tank round is a heavy, dense projectile travelling really fast. The best way to do that is a smoothbore large calibre gun with high pressures and no muzzle break. Something like this pic The video is actually quite good. I hope you can watch it at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Noz said: May I borrowed your signature line concerning socialism? I would be honored. I found it on the internet. Wish I knew who the author was but I could never find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 hours ago, J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE said: I always take my .30 carbine revolver to the indoor range to chase away people like that. Ain't that the truth. I once owned a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine and I swear, its the loudest revolver I can recall shooting OR standing close to when somebody else fires it. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Ten and a half inch Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. 200 gr JHP at 1730 fps NEEDS a muzzle brake. I used to shoot silhouette with it. The round was called a "Nosebleed" load. I am a recovering recoil junky. I wanted to have the pistol Magnaported but did not spend the money. Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 16 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Ain't that the truth. I once owned a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine and I swear, its the loudest revolver I can recall shooting OR standing close to when somebody else fires it. ..........Widder The .30 Carbine round was designed to be fired out of a 16-18" barrel. I'd imagine that with a handgun there is a helluva lot of powder still burning as the bullet leaves the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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