Carolina Drifter Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 It seems I've seen similar topics covered before but my search came up empty. I'm looking into getting some spring kits for my Cimarron 1851 conversions. Is there anyone that has used either or even tried both of these kits mind telling me your experience, preference etc. I've noticed with the Gunslinger kit they removed material from each side of the spring leaving a thin center strip and the Wolff spring kit is the exact opposite, they removed the center material with a long slot cutout in the center but leaving the outside edge of the material. This is my first time looking into this type of spring kit considering all my other pistol models have been Vaqueros so any input is welcome. Thanks, CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I have never had any issue using Wolff springs. Wolff springs are all made 'in-house' buy Wolff. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I've got the Wolf mainspring in my open tops right now, it's excellent. The wire bolt/trigger spring that comes in the kit is not strong enough though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hands down the very best cone from a company called smith industries. They’re like the led gundlinger profile. I stay away from the Wolff ones. The split design has been known to break. Had a buddy slice up his hand once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Drifter Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, Tyrel Cody said: I've got the Wolf mainspring in my open tops right now, it's excellent. The wire bolt/trigger spring that comes in the kit is not strong enough though. what did you use instead? I notice Wolff and Lee's Gunslinger kits both offer a package deal with the main spring and the trigger wire spring option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Carolina Drifter said: what did you use instead? I notice Wolff and Lee's Gunslinger kits both offer a package deal with the main spring and the trigger wire spring option. I put the factory one back in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 My brother broke the main spring in his tuned Smoke Wagon. Put the Wolff spring in and it went back to feeling like a stock gun. Replaced with Lee's spring and went back to the way it felt when he received it from Longhunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Redwood Kid said: Hands down the very best cone from a company called smith industries. They’re like the led gundlinger profile. I stay away from the Wolff ones. The split design has been known to break. Had a buddy slice up his hand once Where can one buy these? A link would be really handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Not wanting to hijack Drifter's thread, but I'm very interested in finding the same thing for my Pietta 1860's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Marshal Hangtree said: Not wanting to hijack Drifter's thread, but I'm very interested in finding the same thing for my Pietta 1860's. The Wolf mainspring will work, but you may need to file/grind the tip a little so it doesn't rub the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Thanks TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WymoreWrangler SASS 46187L Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I've ran Wolf's in my 51 and open tops for years, no problems, and very smooth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Drifter Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 53 minutes ago, Marshal Hangtree said: Not wanting to hijack Drifter's thread, but I'm very interested in finding the same thing for my Pietta 1860's. No worries Marshal, if my thread can help you as well by all means ask away. CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 If you are going to order from Wolff, 2 sets or more for the same type of gun. Call Wolff directly, and ask that the springs all be 'pulled' from the same lot run-as there can/will be a variance with mixed lots. https://www.gunsprings.com/ OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I've had excellent results with the Lee kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Before I retired, when doing action work on Uberti built guns, I replaced the Uberti Trigger/Bolt spring with the Pietta SA Trigger/Bolt spring. Lighter than the Uberti but positive. I prefer the Lee's Gunsmithing spring kit, available from Brownells. Very nice Main Spring that does not "stack." You will need to eliminate any drag in the hammer travel for best results. Another good Main Spring is available from VTI Gun Parts. Both may require fitting to eliminate any contact between the head of the spring and the back radius of the hammer. If the timing is correct, the bolt rises far enough and the bolt is directly fit to the cylinder notches, the gun will not "Throw By" with a lighter T/B spring. Your first step however, with a Uberti Open Top is to correct the Barrel to Arbor fit. The fit is not correct out of the box. If the Barrel to Arbor fit is not corrected, you will be chasing your tail to get the gun to run right. I suggest you peruse the Tutorial by Larsen E. Pettifogger, available on "The Open Range." You will first need to polish the inside of the bore in the Barrel Lug and Polish the Arbor for an easy fit to determine how bad the Arbor fit really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 23 hours ago, Tyrel Cody said: Where can one buy these? A link would be really handy. Sorry I missed this. I don’t think they have a website. I have a cad somewhere, but I can’t remember where I put it. Fortunately, VTI carries them. I don’t know the part number off hand, but a call will straighten you out. Sorry I wasn’t more help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Redwood Kid said: Sorry I missed this. I don’t think they have a website. I have a cad somewhere, but I can’t remember where I put it. Fortunately, VTI carries them. I don’t know the part number off hand, but a call will straighten you out. Sorry I wasn’t more help Well you're just going to have to do better from now on JK, I'll peruse VTI's site; just ordered some new open top firing pins(A2 hardened). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Tyrel Cody said: Well you're just going to have to do better from now on JK, I'll peruse VTI's site; just ordered some new open top firing pins(A2 hardened). I'll work on it. That is a problem with ordering the main spring from VTI. I think they go for $16, yet somehow every time I order one, I get a bill north of $100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putnam Under Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I've used both and have had good results with both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 For those who are not happy with the round wire bolt/trigger spring that Wolff offers they also offer a flat spring for several model revolvers. I have used them in Uberti and Pietta revolvers without a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Drifter Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 Finally... Some results! Updated from my personal experience. So I ordered some lighter Wolff springs (slot cut out of center) to try a while back and finally got around to installing them in my 1851's. I did have to file them down a tad as they were a bit long. Got them installed and they were a little lighter than factory but to my disappointment, not what I was hoping. I'm not talking down on them, I've used Wolff many times before with success, I just didn't get the results I wanted in this case with these specific springs. I know there are plenty of tricks to lighten them even more but I took this as a opportunity to try and compare the Lee's gunslinger springs as well (hour Glass cut springs). So I ordered a set of Lee's springs from Longhunter. I got them in today and went to install them and just as the Wolff springs had to file em down a tad as they were a bit long. But once installed on the first hammer pull I started grinning ear to ear! These had the feel/results I was looking for. Lightened up drastically over factory, and definitely a lot lighter than the Wolff springs. Very noticeable differences. So that's my results. Not trying to persuade anyone. Just sharing my experience in case anyone was curious such as I was. CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Lee's spring kits. Start here for information. If you have more questions, call and speak to Ross. http://www.leesgunsmithing.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Flats Jack Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I ordered spare stock springs from taylors & co. Used a dremel with a cutting wheel to cut a slot in the mainspring and on the trigger spring I ground it into an hourglass shape. going slow and only removing a little at a time. I like to tinker though. Getting 1 gun how I wanted it wasnt difficult. getting the second one to feel exactly like the first was a bit more of a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 I have been very pleased with Lee's Springs. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Carolina Drifter said: Finally... Some results! Updated from my personal experience. So I ordered some lighter Wolff springs (slot cut out of center) to try a while back and finally got around to installing them in my 1851's. I did have to file them down a tad as they were a bit long. Got them installed and they were a little lighter than factory but to my disappointment, not what I was hoping. I'm not talking down on them, I've used Wolff many times before with success, I just didn't get the results I wanted in this case with these specific springs. I know there are plenty of tricks to lighten them even more but I took this as a opportunity to try and compare the Lee's gunslinger springs as well (hour Glass cut springs). So I ordered a set of Lee's springs from Longhunter. I got them in today and went to install them and just as the Wolff springs had to file em down a tad as they were a bit long. But once installed on the first hammer pull I started grinning ear to ear! These had the feel/results I was looking for. Lightened up drastically over factory, and definitely a lot lighter than the Wolff springs. Very noticeable differences. So that's my results. Not trying to persuade anyone. Just sharing my experience in case anyone was curious such as I was. CD Now take them into the garage and bust a few caps just to make sure they aren’t too light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 CD-PLZ give a follow up report after live fire test. TNX, OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Drifter Posted April 5, 2019 Author Share Posted April 5, 2019 I'll definitely do that when I get the chance. I'm confident they will be fine based on what I see and feel compared to others I've worked on. but live fire is the best tell all test. CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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