Deanimator Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I am contemplating the imminent purchase of a Cimarron Old Model Frontier. Does this model use the two position base pin? Having read about issues with the two position base pin, I'd like to replace it with a conventional one. What pin is compatible and where can I get one? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Belt Mountain base pin!!! I have them in all my Uberti's and a Pietta. https://beltmountain.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I make my own version of the Keith #5 base pin. But .. I'm kind of crazy that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Belt Mountain base pin!!! I have them in all my Uberti's and a Pietta. https://beltmountain.com/ They only appear to sell Ruger type pins anymore. Are those compatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said: I make my own version of the Keith #5 base pin. But .. I'm kind of crazy that way. Thanks, but I make enough crazy macrophotography year as it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Check the Brownells catalogue. However, I wouldn't bother changing it out. Put it in a padded vice, Hacksaw the 1/8th inch of the pin off and dress it. Then you just push the pin in all the way and there are no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Check the Brownells catalogue. However, I wouldn't bother changing it out. Put it in a padded vice, Hacksaw the 1/8th inch of the pin off and dress it. Then you just push the pin in all the way and there are no problems. That's one option. In case I decide to buy one, what's compatible? I haven't handled a single action revolver since 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Yeah, shortening the rear of the pin will allow it to be pushed all the way in to defeat the safety feature. However, the Pietta basepins are only grooved on the bottom, not all the way around. And I hate that. Takes more fiddling to get it perfectly aligned with the base pin screw. I know an Uberti pin will fit in a Pietta, though not sure if it is undersized or not. And I expect a Colt pin will fit, but am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Yeah, shortening the rear of the pin will allow it to be pushed all the way in to defeat the safety feature. However, the Pietta basepins are only grooved on the bottom, not all the way around. And I hate that. Takes more fiddling to get it perfectly aligned with the base pin screw. I know an Uberti pin will fit in a Pietta, though not sure if it is undersized or not. And I expect a Colt pin will fit, but am not sure. Real Colt pins seem hard to come by these days. I believe they're out of stock at both Brownell's and Midway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Deanimator said: They only appear to sell Ruger type pins anymore. Are those compatible? 3 hours ago, Deanimator said: They only appear to sell Ruger type pins anymore. Are those compatible? No they sell them for Colts and colt clones! I have them!!! Keep looking on their website or check Midway USA they have the belt mountain clone base pins https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004078794/belt-mountain-standard-base-pin-colt-single-action-army-blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I have gotten my replacement pins from VTIGunparts.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 TRY THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004078794/belt-mountain-standard-base-pin-colt-single-action-army-blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: TRY THIS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004078794/belt-mountain-standard-base-pin-colt-single-action-army-blue Discontinued. None available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chief Rick said: Discontinued. None available. Wow!!! Hard to get a hold of Belt Mountain, you call the number and it's a fax #, you can email them also but....... I bought mine from them about 6-7 yrs ago! I have them in all my Uberti's and a Pietta. Colt base pins are no problem so my Colts have the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muley Gil SASS # 57795 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 It is not that hard to make a base pin. Find a slightly oversize machine screw or bolt and chuck it in the "poor man's lathe" aka a portable drill. Using a file and a medium drill speed, remove the thread. Once you get the OD (outside diameter) correct, form the head of the pin and the groove. When it is complete, heat your new base pin and cold blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 This is bugging me, I just emailed Belt Mountain, I'll let you know what happens!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Wow!!! Hard to get a hold of Belt Mountain, you call the number and it's a fax #, you can email them also but....... I bought mine from them about 6-7 yrs ago! I have them in all my Uberti's and a Pietta. Colt base pins are no problem so my Colts have the originals. Emailing doesn't work well either. Supposedly updating their website - for several weeks now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Check the Brownells catalogue. However, I wouldn't bother changing it out. Put it in a padded vice, Hacksaw the 1/8th inch of the pin off and dress it. Then you just push the pin in all the way and there are no problems. That’s what I did. Works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Yeah, shortening the rear of the pin will allow it to be pushed all the way in to defeat the safety feature. However, the Pietta basepins are only grooved on the bottom, not all the way around. And I hate that. Takes more fiddling to get it perfectly aligned with the base pin screw. I know an Uberti pin will fit in a Pietta, though not sure if it is undersized or not. And I expect a Colt pin will fit, but am not sure. 2 hours ago, Deanimator said: Real Colt pins seem hard to come by these days. I believe they're out of stock at both Brownell's and Midway. Just an FYI, the colt pins do not work. They are too wide to fit. The standard Uberti pins fit perfectly. I am the same as you in that I don't want the extra long pin and I also don't like the way they cut the groove only on the bottom. It's more secure I have read, but it can be a real pain in the ..... The Uberti non-safety pin fits perfectly and gets you the right look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 9:19 AM, Deanimator said: They only appear to sell Ruger type pins anymore. Are those compatible? I just received an email back from Belt Mountain. He says he still carries the Colt Clone type base pin but he's out of town and will be back soon. He discontinued the Colt style with MIDWAY but he still has them. I suggest you email them. Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I just received an email back from Belt Mountain. He says he still carries the Colt Clone type base pin but he's out of town and will be back soon. He discontinued the Colt style with MIDWAY but he still has them. I suggest you email them. Rye Thanks for the information. I haven't bought the gun yet. I went to a show and a couple of stores Saturday, but saw no Pietta guns at all. I'm going to another show this Saturday. If nothing suitable turns up there, I'll drive across the street and see if the store will order exactly what I want. If not, I'll order it from Bud's and have it shipped to the same store, since Bud's lists them as a dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just came back from the show and the best gun store in the area. No 7 1/2" Piettas at the show that I saw. I went to the store up the road. They could get me the gun, but NOT in 7 1/2". 4 1/2" and 5 1/2" only. I'm reconsidering my options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 You could grind the end of the pin down at the hammer end and always use the last notch. Call or email E.M.F. and order what you want. Great company to deal with and Pietta makes all their revolvers. If you are a S.A.S.S. member you get a little discount. 3 calibers in 3 lengths; excellent customer service: https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/-Californian-c65.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 I just ordered the Cimarron Frontier, Old Model, .45 Colt, 7 1/2" from Bud's. It's being shipped to a local dealer. Pictures when I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 I just ordered the Cimarron Frontier, Old Model, .45 Colt, 7 1/2" from Bud's. It's being shipped to a local dealer. Pictures when I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 I picked the gun up Saturday. I somehow managed to screw up and order the pre-war model rather than the black powder model. My mistake. Other than that, it seems like a nice gun. I ordered a single position Uberti base pin from Gun Parts last night. We'll see how that works out. I didn't get my ammunition until last night, so I won't be able to try it until at least Sunday, probably Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 If you really want the BP frame model, can you can return the gun if unfired? I don't know Bud's policy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: If you really want the BP frame model, can you can return the gun if unfired? I don't know Bud's policy, There's nothing wrong with the gun. It was my mistake, so I'll live with it. The important part was the 4 click action, and I got that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just a reminder about the BP frame, if you need to take your cylinder out at a shoot to get out a jammed round it's a whole lot easier with the spring latch! I've had BP frames before and I really prefer the more modern version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Just a reminder about the BP frame, if you need to take your cylinder out at a shoot to get out a jammed round it's a whole lot easier with the spring latch! I've had BP frames before and I really prefer the more modern version. I wanted a black powder frame gun since most of the fighting history of the SAA involved that version. But I'm willing to own up to my screwup and live with having most of what I wanted. Not having a Colt type action would have been a deal breaker and would have caused me to eat the return fee. Having the later version is just a minor disappointment with my own inattention. I've got my first box of ammunition for it now, but if it's anything like as cold Monday as it is today, it'll have to wait a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 I just picked up the Uberti base pin which I ordered from Gun Parts. It dropped right in and appears to work perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 11:36 AM, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Yeah, shortening the rear of the pin will allow it to be pushed all the way in to defeat the safety feature. However, the Pietta basepins are only grooved on the bottom, not all the way around. And I hate that. Takes more fiddling to get it perfectly aligned with the base pin screw. I know an Uberti pin will fit in a Pietta, though not sure if it is undersized or not. And I expect a Colt pin will fit, but am not sure. I bought a pair of pre-war .38-40s from you at 2003 EoT. Colt cylinder pins fit perfect. I've been using them ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanimator Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 My initial picture of it. I'm still working on a better stage to properly photograph it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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