Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Here is my from box to match review on the Winchester 1873 Short Rifle in .357 mag. Quick info, I ran it with no lever wrap. The stock sight are a semi buckhorn and a very small Marbles style bead, I struggled with seeing them well. But beyond that I was extremely pleased. Ran like a top and I didn’t so much as even touch a screw on it. I was only able to get 4 stages in because I SDQ’d on the last stage by coming to the line with my hammer back, lack of focus on my part and also a first for me in 17 years of CAS. I still had a ball doing it!! Thank you to We The People Munitions for providing the ammo for this review. Hope it’s informational and entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Always enjoy videos by Deuce. Good video and it should help A LOT of shooters in their quest for a nice rifle. I also liked the manner in which Deuce promoted SASS in his video. Well done. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Dan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 That rifle looks like it's pretty smooth for right outa the box. Is the lever throw shorter than a uberti stock. Good review Duece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deadshot Dan said: That rifle looks like it's pretty smooth for right outa the box. Is the lever throw shorter than a uberti stock. Good review Duece. Yes considerably, about the same ss a Uberti with a 3rd gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manomet Mac Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I have the same rifle and I am looking for a bullet mold that will feed well with 38 sp, anyone have a favorite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Dan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 said: Yes considerably, about the same ss a Uberti with a 3rd gen. Can you get a 20 in barrel and CCH receiver ? And are many smith's tuning them with success ? Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Way to go. I like that you have chalanged the opinion that factory stock guns can't possibly be competitive. The Winchester Miroku is a quality gun and a real value. Stock Winchester Miroku vs Marlin 1894 Stock Uberti 73 vs stock Winchester Miroku 73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Thanks for the review Deuce. Looks like a pretty cool one-stop shop for a rifle. Two questions; 1. MSRP as tested? 2. Any internal modifications other than smoothing up points of contact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lawdog Dago Dom said: Thanks for the review Deuce. Looks like a pretty cool one-stop shop for a rifle. Two questions; 1. MSRP as tested? 2. Any internal modifications other than smoothing up points of contact? The rifle in the video was completely stock, literally wiped the packing grease off, checked for obstructions in the bore and shot the match with it. . Are you asking if it needs any action work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Yes. Obviously the stroke throw looks pretty good. Just wondering if you felt any internal parts needed some smoothing over. And what would one go for from a friendly, neighborhood FFL dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lawdog Dago Dom said: Yes. Obviously the stroke throw looks pretty good. Just wondering if you felt any internal parts needed some smoothing over. And what would one go for from a friendly, neighborhood FFL dealer? I know a FFL that sells them for $1099 shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Manomet Mac said: I have the same rifle and I am looking for a bullet mold that will feed well with 38 sp, anyone have a favorite? I'm not sure about the Winchester but my Uberti runs great with a 125 gr. Truncated Flat Point .38 loaded in the crimp groove. Good luck Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Bradford Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I had trouble telling in the video, that’s a round 20 inch barrel?? Thanks for the review!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Manomet Mac said: I have the same rifle and I am looking for a bullet mold that will feed well with 38 sp, anyone have a favorite? I had two of them. I ran 105 & 125 truncated in both. That's probably what 80% of everyone is SASS is using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Seth Bradford said: I had trouble telling in the video, that’s a round 20 inch barrel?? Thanks for the review!! Yes it is the Short Rifle which has a 20" heavy round barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Deadshot Dan said: Can you get a 20 in barrel and CCH receiver ? And are many smith's tuning them with success ? Thank you. The rifle tested is a Short Rifle which is a 20" heavy round barrel. They come in either Blued or CCH. Both are different price points. The #1 purpose of my review was to try and settle some of the very unfounded negativity on this rifle. It's not a Uberti.....and in my experience that is a good thing. I have zero interest in doing a from the box to match review on a Uberti because I already know the results. I believe in the Winchester guns so much I "risked" my own money on this project. These rifles can benefit from a nice lever wrap, some improved sights and if the shooter felt compelled a true action job that does not involve a short stroke. There are lots of shooters who won't rest until they have dumped all they can into a rifle and that is great. But the video shows what a shooter who is used to a SASS minimum stroke and a 14oz. trigger pull on his rifles can do with one out of the box. Just like with golf you can't buy "IT". Though shooters have tried for years and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 said: The rifle tested is a Short Rifle which is a 20" heavy round barrel. They come in either Blued or CCH. Both are different price points. The #1 purpose of my review was to try and settle some of the very unfounded negativity on this rifle. It's not a Uberti.....and in my experience that is a good thing. I have zero interest in doing a from the box to match review on a Uberti because I already know the results. I believe in the Winchester guns so much I "risked" my own money on this project. These rifles can benefit from a nice lever wrap, some improved sights and if the shooter felt compelled a true action job that does not involve a short stroke. There are lots of shooters who won't rest until they have dumped all they can into a rifle and that is great. But the video shows what a shooter who is used to a SASS minimum stroke and a 14oz. trigger pull on his rifles can do with one out of the box. Just like with golf you can't buy "IT". Though shooters have tried for years and will continue to do so. Exactly! BTW, local gun shop had a new Winchester Miroku 73 in 45 Colt in the racks for $900. It was gone the last time I was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Dan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 said: The rifle tested is a Short Rifle which is a 20" heavy round barrel. They come in either Blued or CCH. Both are different price points. The #1 purpose of my review was to try and settle some of the very unfounded negativity on this rifle. It's not a Uberti.....and in my experience that is a good thing. I have zero interest in doing a from the box to match review on a Uberti because I already know the results. I believe in the Winchester guns so much I "risked" my own money on this project. These rifles can benefit from a nice lever wrap, some improved sights and if the shooter felt compelled a true action job that does not involve a short stroke. There are lots of shooters who won't rest until they have dumped all they can into a rifle and that is great. But the video shows what a shooter who is used to a SASS minimum stroke and a 14oz. trigger pull on his rifles can do with one out of the box. Just like with golf you can't buy "IT". Though shooters have tried for years and will continue to do so. I'm sure there's not a thing wrong with the winchester rifles and the fact your willing to stand behind them like you are is good enough for me. You've run some of the best tuned gun's in the sport and run a gun harder in a season than most of us do in a handful. Over the years theres been some fine guns come from Miroku. Thanks for doing the video Duece, thats the first time iv'e seen one of them run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Good review . Nice to see a company building a good out of the box SASS ready rifle . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Kaya and I were two of the first to run these in our area. Kaya was playing around at the Indiana State match a couple years ago after she recorded her time and a small crowd developed behind her to watch. She was running sub 3.0 runs. Some wanted to know who slicked up her rifle. She said " Slicked it up? We took it out of the box and cleaned it." Quite a few at the club every month now and we have never seen a broken one. Yeah, we're converts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Dan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Competition for sales can sometimes be good for quality when there is more than one choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Cool! Less expensive than the Uberti types and "better outta the box" to boot! That's a deal! GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk James Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Nice review Deuce!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 I have this review rifle for sale over on the SASS Merchant Corner. Someone is going to get a very good deal on a great running gun and hope fully it's a new shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I've been shooting my Miroku Winchester for about 5 years. I welded up the firing pin safety and replaced the stock. The stock broke at the rear tang. I replaced the stock with a Uberti stock and it fit perfectly. And, the loading gate broke, Winchester sent me a new one for free. I'm pretty rough on long guns. The rifle will run as fast as I can run it. Don't really keep track of my speed. One of the TO's told me I ran a 2.97 whatever that's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eye Jim Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/6/2019 at 4:39 PM, Manomet Mac said: I have the same rifle and I am looking for a bullet mold that will feed well with 38 sp, anyone have a favorite? 127gn RNFP work prefect for me and I suspect the 125's will as well but I haven't loaded any of those yet. I did the same thing Deuce did a little less than a year ago. Picked it up on Friday from a private dealer, cleaned it when I got home and shot it the next day at a match. The only problem I had with it, was a result of bad ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Mays Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Deuce, Were you shooting .357 or .38 special? What is the best OAL of cartridge for this rifle if loading .38 special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Lud Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The miroku 1886 is pretty awesome as well for 45-70 fans. Have not found a flaw on my 6 mirokus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Gun Cole Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I ordered a deluxe pistol grip 357 with case color receiver and grade VI wood. It was only available in 24” looking forward to shooting it when I comes back from Cowboy Carty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Now if it just came in 327 mag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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