Lead Foot Luke Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 What does “RO-assisted” MSV mean? Can someone give me an example when you would apply this from the Shooter's Handbook page 21 (below)? The Match Director is typically the stage writer/designer of the match and has the authority to override an “RO-assisted” MSV penalty for a reshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 EXAMPLE (Classic "Trifecta" situation) Shooter is engaging rifle targets; mid-string, he has a temporary malfunction that is remedied on the clock. Shooter asks the T/O, "Which target is next?" T/O directs the shooter to the WRONG TARGET (skipping one over) = Procedural ("assisted" by T/O's misdirection) Shooter only fires 9 of 10 rounds = MISS for the unfired round. Shooter shoots the last target of the rifle shooting string & restages rifle with a round remaining in the action = MSV Shooter ends up with 25 seconds in penalties BUT ...gets a reshoot due to "Improper coaching" by the T/O. Under normal circumstances, the MSV "carries over" for the reshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 AKA; "TO Trainwreck"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Foot Luke Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 Thank you PWB for the prompt response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 59 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Under normal circumstances, the MSV "carries over" for the reshoot. Can you please give an example of when it would not carry over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, Wyatt said: Can you please give an example of when it would not carry over I already did...provided that the Match Director negates it due to the T/O's "improper coaching". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Griff said: AKA; "TO Trainwreck"! Yep but when people are way off on a complicated scenario and take 5 - 15 seconds to clear a jammed rifle and then jump back in the fire it can happen...…….lol Add some misses, a jacked round or two and sometimes it's no fun being a TO...……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk James Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Pale Wolfe,s reply that there are come circumstances where a MSV does not carry over and up to the Match Director is an important one. Although they are rare, they are possible. I appreciate this information! These are the areas that are not always black and white. We do have some grey areas and common sense needs to prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 myself, I'd like to see ALL TO assisted msvs go away... having instances like the one above be applied is great,,, IF everyone knows it's available,,, ie at the same shoot one shooter could have it applied and someone on another posse not have it applied,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 said: myself, I'd like to see ALL TO assisted msvs go away... having instances like the one above be applied is great,,, IF everyone knows it's available,,, ie at the same shoot one shooter could have it applied and someone on another posse not have it applied,, Been to several shoots lately where all reshoots had to be cleared by the MD before the reshoot was granted. Some even require you to fill out an official form. They seemed to be doing the same for MDQs and SDQs as well. That way, everyone knew what was available when it was granted and the decisions were applied evenly across the match - for those situations anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: Been to several shoots lately where all reshoots had to be cleared by the MD before the reshoot was granted. Some even require you to fill out an official form. They seemed to be doing the same for MDQs and SDQs as well. That way, everyone knew what was available when it was granted and the decisions were applied evenly across the match - for those situations anyway. that's great, IF people know to ask for a reshoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk James Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 One of the areas of concern is when the TO tells you to move with a loaded cocked gun such as split revolvers, or they tell you move with a loaded shotgun. My understanding this is not grounds for a re-shoot. Is this what you are talking about when you say all TO-assisted msv should go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 yes,,, exactly! I argued against the rule as it stands to no avail when it was instituted. but, since then, I haven't told anyone to move when they shouldn't.. it took a lot of concentration, but now it's easier not to goof.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Keep in mind the quoted override is for minor safety violations (msv). The rule says nothing about overriding SDQs or MDQs for safety violations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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