JohnWesleyHardin Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 When I am running my rifle as fast as possible, I will sometimes jack out a live round. What mechanically causes this to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Most likely, not pulling the trigger. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 What kind of rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWesleyHardin Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 My thought is either pulling trigger before lever is closed or not throwing the lever completely forward. I am not sure what to focus on to fix it. It goes away if I slow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWesleyHardin Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 Very tuned 1873 Uberti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 If it is a 73 and the lever safety is working properly, I would say not pulling the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, JohnWesleyHardin said: Very tuned 1873 Uberti Is the lever safety installed and working properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWesleyHardin Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 Yes, right or wrong, when I shoot, I don't consciously pull the trigger. It is triggered as I close the lever. I just have always shot that way. The jacking shell problem only surfaces when I really am pushing for speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 your timing is slightly off at times,,, the faster you go the higher the concentration needed,,,, lever, trigger lever trigger, not lever lever seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Your levering and trigger finger are not in sync... Next question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWesleyHardin Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 Thanks for your thoughts. I wasn't really sure what to try to correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Try to concentrate on engagingvthe trigger sooner and a bit harder. If it’s not been done, you can have the trigger worked over to eliminate the flop and that will likely help a great deal. When the trigger flops as they do from the factory, you may sometimes feel the trigger move and think you pulled it when in fact you didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 It's probably not the rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Dan Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I usually only do it when i say i haven't done it for awhile. For me it's a mental thing. slow down just a touch and, practice, practice, practice till it's second nature. After all it's muscle memory, and don't think about doing it when ya pick the rifle up to shoot a string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 It's nothing new,...happens to most of us at some stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 It could be the trigger is falling into the safety/half cock notch on the hammer. All of my 73’s have them removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Do you know what your better splits are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Crook, SASS #55339 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Hammer falling too slowly, you are pulling trigger then opening lever before hammer hits. You will probably see dimple on primer of ejected round. Try tightening hammer spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 In my early years when I was practicing to get faster and faster.. I kept lightening the hammer spring to make it easier to cycle.. I too started jacking out rounds.. and Yes.. If I slowed down I didn't jack any out.. A feller named Spur told me I could be out running the hammer fall.. By backing off the hammer spring I created a slower hammer fall I then started tightening the hammer spring until it went away.. Rance Thinkin' that was MY situation Rum Crook has the same idea.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Wheeler Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 It's caused by a disconnect between the CPU and the Bang Switch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I've done that before. I shoot a Marlin. It was a big, close dump plate. I ejected three live rounds. Hubby, told me to pull the trigger after levering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Jim SASS # 21775 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The famous sage Red River Ray said "lever, trigger not lever, lever dumb ass". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 PLUS ONE two Phantom. There is nothing mechanically wrong. Pure Operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Have to agree with the majority for the most of the time. Rance has a point that I believe has to be recognized. Too light spring on hammer slowing the hammer fall. I was jacking rounds out a couple of years ago, a friend told me to change the upper trigger on my 73.. Said whenever he or his daughter start jacking out rounds, Changing the upper trigger worked. I had been jacking up my hammer spring because I thought I was bumping the trigger and not feeling it ( have a numb trigger finger since an accident several years ago) Followed his advice and problem went away in MY case.. Got to lower spring pressure again Most of the time it"s in my head rattling around. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 And I know no one that doesn't jack rounds out when learning to speed up... No one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Payne Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Practicing dumps is a great idea for both the rifle & the pistols as part of every practice session. And, many have said the same thing above in many different ways. Even when you're trying to go fast, your focus should be more on every pull of the trigger & not putting it on a fast "cruise control". And, whether it's the first run in a practice session or the first stage of a match, it's never a good idea (for me anyway) to try to go 100%+. I've found if I think 80% on the first stage, often my muscle memory will pick up the pace for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnWesleyHardin Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 My initial inquiry was what actually mechanically happens that makes me jack the round so I can focus on avoiding it. It appears the consensus is that I simply don't get the trigger pulled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, JohnWesleyHardin said: My initial inquiry was what actually mechanically happens that makes me jack the round so I can focus on avoiding it. It appears the consensus is that I simply don't get the trigger pulled? Yep, your timing is slightly off. You are starting to open the lever and action slightly before you get the trigger to let off. The lever safety then blocks the trigger from completing any more motion toward let off within about the first 1/2 inch of movement of the lever forward. It takes real attention to getting trigger-then-lever ALWAYS in that order, especially as you start to run sub 4 seconds for 10 shot strings. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnWesleyHardin said: My initial inquiry was what actually mechanically happens that makes me jack the round so I can focus on avoiding it. It appears the consensus is that I simply don't get the trigger pulled? Most likely this - make sure you're getting the trigger pulled. Only other thing, which was already mentioned, is that your hammer spring is too light. I've watched video of folks where they pull the trigger, hammer starts to fall, and they open the lever before the hammer has completed the motion - causing the round to be jacked out. Lock time on these guns is not short. Personal Pet peeve: light mainsprings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 As stated previously, some rounds will have light primer strikes. That means you're opening the rifle before the firing pin has moved all the way forward. Running the rifle as fast as possible works for the speed rifle side match or stand and deliver stages. On most scenarios there are other ways of making up a few fractions of a second rather than running the guns as fast as possible and having a potential jacked round which could cost you a match. There's a fine line between running guns really fast and recklessly fast. Once you've jacked out a rifle round, had to reshoot a SG target, or bobbled anything you've moved back in the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 21 hours ago, JohnWesleyHardin said: When I am running my rifle as fast as possible, I will sometimes jack out a live round. What mechanically causes this to happen? I do that occasionally with both of my rifles, I'm pretty sure the problem is a loose nut behind the trigger! Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Assassin said: As stated previously, some rounds will have light primer strikes. That means you're opening the rifle before the firing pin has moved all the way forward. Running the rifle as fast as possible works for the speed rifle side match or stand and deliver stages. On most scenarios there are other ways of making up a few fractions of a second rather than running the guns as fast as possible and having a potential jacked round which could cost you a match. There's a fine line between running guns really fast and recklessly fast. Once you've jacked out a rifle round, had to reshoot a SG target, or bobbled anything you've moved back in the pack. I believe light hit marks are more likely the quick rearward movement of the bolt causes the firing to lightly engage the primer,,, or both or either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 said: I believe light hit marks are more likely the quick rearward movement of the bolt causes the firing to lightly engage the primer,,, or both or either Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 said: I believe light hit marks are more likely the quick rearward movement of the bolt causes the firing to lightly engage the primer,,, or both or either How about hammer following the bolt down? GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, G W Wade said: How about hammer following the bolt down? GW How does that happen if the lever safety is present and functioning properly? Inertia usually is the reason for those "light" hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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